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Old 10-18-2012, 04:43 PM   #16
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Slippy roads

I think that what happened on that turn warrants some discussion. Even though these bikes will stick like glue on dry roads, hydroplaning might have been a possibility on that day, judging by your picture. I'd like to know how fast you might have been going, and what kind of tire you have on the back. I've had a few scares on sand and wet roads, so I ride like the geezer I am on that stuff and save the sporty riding for when everything is f&d.

If this is something we all'd like to discuss, maybe we should move this segment over to the main forum. I'm new here, and don't know the protocol for doing that.

Anyway, loved your travelog. I've been eschewing my Atlantic 500 with sportbike suspension, for the old Helix with Cadillac ride lately, doing foliage runs on gravel roads in Franklin county VT. In the spring, maybe I'd do another real trip, but for now, it doesn't get any better than my own back yard.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:51 PM   #17
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I think that what happened on that turn warrants some discussion. Even though these bikes will stick like glue on dry roads, hydroplaning might have been a possibility on that day, judging by your picture. I'd like to know how fast you might have been going, and what kind of tire you have on the back. I've had a few scares on sand and wet roads, so I ride like the geezer I am on that stuff and save the sporty riding for when everything is f&d.

If this is something we all'd like to discuss, maybe we should move this segment over to the main forum. I'm new here, and don't know the protocol for doing that.

Anyway, loved your travelog. I've been eschewing my Atlantic 500 with sportbike suspension, for the old Helix with Cadillac ride lately, doing foliage runs on gravel roads in Franklin county VT. In the spring, maybe I'd do another real trip, but for now, it doesn't get any better than my own back yard.
I was going around 25-30 MPH and the road was wet but it wasn't raining and there was no standing water. I doubt that I hydroplaned. The tire had worked fine all day in wet conditions at much higher speeds and it worked fine afterwards. It was probably not the tire. I'm guessing something slippery like anti freeze.

In the past, in wet but not real wet conditions, I have done some pretty fast riding. I once led a sport bike ride in light rain. Afterwards one of the riders following me said he had never ridden that fast when it was dry. As long as the road is clean and doesn't have standing water, traction is usually very good.

Needless to say, I was pretty careful the rest of the day.

Enjoy your rides in VT. Although we can get some colorful leaves down here, they are more colorful in New England.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:21 PM   #18
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this was parked out front. Tim the Toolman Taylor would have loved this.



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Old 10-19-2012, 07:48 AM   #19
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I have had things slip with me at times like that before. It sure does take away your rain confidence for a while. Probably automotive fluid or the remains of an old greasy possum Glad you were not hurt...enjoying the report!
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:24 AM   #20
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Bet that thing is loud.

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Sorry we missed getting up to Beaver Dam last weekend.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:27 AM   #21
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After checking out the Shady Valley Store, I headed back to Mountain City on 421. This time I stopped and took some pics.



The tuck in this pic hit the gas and spun his tires around this curve.



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Due to the wet road, leaves and a lack of confidence due to my earlier fall, I took it pretty easy on these curves.

Then it was back to my motel room. For dinner I walked to a strip mall down the road where there was a choice of Chinese, Mexican, Subway, or Burger King. I ate at the Chinese place which had a buffet.
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Old 10-21-2012, 06:23 AM   #22
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It was forecast to be nice and sunny the next day but when I woke up it was still dreary and overcast. I decided to take my time and let the weather clear up and road dry. I walked to McDs for breakfast and eventually got on the road. the road was mostly dry but till had wet spots and some wet leaves so I picked up the pace some from the day before but couldn't fully enjoy the curves. I had a clean run most of the way through then caught up with an 18 wheeler. While NC prohibits large trucks from really curvy roads, Tn just posts warning signs. So I stopped and took a pic looking down towards Shady Valley.



Then I waited a bit and took off. It didn't take long to catch the truck.



Even here where the curves weren't that tight he couldn't stay in his lane. Even worse, the reason he was going so slow, there was a car in front of the truck hoking him up.

When I got to Shady Valley I decided to continue on and check out 421 North. It was another twisty, over the mountain pass but IMO not as good as the southern part.

One of the curves.



It led to a lake and the road straightened out. I saw a side road leading up the mountain next to the lake and decided to explore.



I followed it a bit and turned around. I doubt it went through.

Then it was back towards Shady Valley.

I stopped at the top of the pass. The AT crosses 421 here.



I thought this sign was interesting. It's not my camera, the sign must be leaned over for the curves

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Old 10-21-2012, 08:46 AM   #23
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:12 PM   #24
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When I got back to Shady Valley, there were a a few other bikes there.



I got a hot dog for lunch and talked to some of the other riders. They were all from out of state, some from Southern Florida, some from Upstate New York and I forget were else. At any give time there were around 5-10 bikes there. This is far less than you would find at Deal's Gap.

Then I headed out on 91 to go back to Maggie Valley. At this time it was after noon and still cloudy. After I took of, the sun started to come out.



91 had a few miles of good curves and the was an OK road after that. After 91 I went left on 19E then right on 173 to 26 and into Erwin, TN. I got gas and picked a route........sort of. When I pick a route it is subject to change on a moment's notice. I took 19w South. It had some great curves. I stopped in the middle of them to get a pic of this waterfall.



Then 19w got less curvy but was still a nice ride.



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With the sun out, it also got warmer so I stopped to take off some layers. Just before taking off, some slow moving vehicles passed me The Nerve. Since I'm on a 250, not a Hayabusa, passing isn't always that easy. I was at an intersection and there were two roads that looked interesting. One had a dead end sign. The other didn't, so I took it.



it was one of those obscure roads with no nickname and no T-shirts named after it. Everyone knows that those roads are all straight, flat and boring.



But it took me in the direction I wanted to go and took me to 19 which I rode west on.
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:57 PM   #25
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The next few roads were some of the best of the trip. They are not well known and I'm going to do my part to keep it that way. If you are a local you may be able to guess my route from the pics.



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I ended up back in Maggie Valley. I didn't make any Motel reservations and still got a room at the Applecover Inn for $30 + tax
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Old 10-22-2012, 03:10 PM   #26
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After Checking in I decided to head up to the BRP to catch the sunset at Waterrock Knob.



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Old 10-23-2012, 05:15 AM   #27
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After the sun set, I rode back to MV, parked the bike and walked down the street to Hurley's for dinner. Then I walked back to the Motel where they had a nice campfire going. I should have had my camera with me as they got some nice 10 foot high flames when they put some cardboard boxes into the fire. One of the things discussed was that the motels in Maggie were really struggling. Several were for sale. One down the street, which the owner bought around 10 years ago for over 1 million was for sale for 160K with no takers. This was October, peak leaf and tourist season. None of the motels seemed to be close to being full. If not for motorcyclists, it would be much worse. It seems that it's not just the bad economy but also that Cherokee, with it's giant casino, was taking a lot of Maggie's business. I guess that people would rather go into a big building with lots of flashy lights and throw away their money then enjoy the natural beauty of the area.

The next morning I got up early with the thought of catching the sunrise on the BRP. I went for a walk and enjoyed the clear skies and all the stars. Unfortunately, it didn't last and clouded up. So I took my time hoping it would clear up. After all the forecast was for a sunny and fairly warm day. The weather forecaster's couldn't be wrong could they?

It was still gloomy when I took off so I abandoned my idea of taking the BRP to 276. I would have been riding in the fog. So i took 19 to Cherokee.

Harrah's casino in Cherokee:



The Cherokee Harley Dealer.



I stopped at McD's in Cherokee and had breakfast. Then I walked around a bit to warm up.

From there I headed over to the Smokey mountain expressway and to it to Lauda where I headed Soth on 28 and one of my favorite sections of curves

A few miles down I turned off to go check out the footbridge over the Little Tennessee River.



Shortly before the bridge I came to this.



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This would not be an issue on one of my dual sport bikes but I decided not to chance it on the scooter.

So I returned to 28, finished the nice twisty section, and then turned around and did those 8 miles of curves again

Then I continued on 28 towards Deals Gap. I passed a couple dual sport bikes. They then picked up the pace and followed me through the curves. Just past Fontana I caught up to this Goldwing and trailer. He was moving along pretty well and just about dragging stuff in every curve.



Eventually he pulled over and let us by. Down the road a ways we got stuck before more slow moving traffic so I pulled over and waited so I could get a clean run through the great curves leading up to Deal's Gap. I took this pic while waiting.



I timed my wait perfectly because I got to Deal's Gap at around the same time as the 2 dual sports but had a clean run through the curves.

It turns out the 2 dual sport bikes were from Indiana. One of them was a TW200 which was ridden by an Inmate.



And the other was a KLR650, which judging by the stickers, had been to a few places.



I talked to the TW200 rider for a bit. Small's, it was nice meeting you It's always good to see people touring on small bikes.
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:22 AM   #28
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Continues to be a great report

Klaviator,

Thanks for the continued great report. Your stuff is always interesting as you seem to have a knack for the stuff that's about a quarter sine wave off.

Glad you weren't hurt in your spill. I'm pretty uncomfortable on many of the roads around here when it's wet as the roads are treelined and there tends to be some decaying stuff at every curve. Haven't run into any anti-freeze that I know of but there's always a skim of oil for the first half hour of rain.

Keep up the good work.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:40 AM   #29
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Liberia, That's an interesting description of my reports
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:14 PM   #30
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After getting the "I was There" shot,



I headed down 129 towards the overlook. Despite being a Wednesday, cold and gloomy, there was still a fair amount of traffic. Although I have slowed down considerably from my younger and faster riding days and the fact that I was on a scooter, it did not take too long to come up behind slower traffic. A guy on an R1100 or 1200R who I had let by shortly before was behind the traffic and pulled off. I pulled off next to him. We were both "surfing the Gap". We talked a bit and continued until we caught the traffic again. I think we did this around 3-4 times before getting to the overlook. While 129 is a great road, it is difficult to get a clean run through it, even running at a moderate pace as I was on my scooter. I haven't ridden my KLR through here in years as I end up going way too fast on it. After a break at the overlook, I headed back, surfing the gap as before.

I took a few pics:

Wouldn't want to get dew on the bikes or anything like that



the famous "Tree of Shame."



Compare this crowd to the few bikes at Shady Valley.



Lots of Harleys but a mix of all kinds of bikes. Mine was the only scooter I saw there.

I went in to get lunch but there was long line.

So i came back out.

Looking across the road, I noticed that they had put in a new deck behind / above the building. I decided to walk over and check it out.

Saw this inside the building.



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I ended up getting a Bar B Que sandwich from the trailer just outside the building. It was pretty good and not very expensive, I think it was $5 for the sandwich and a couple of sides and another 50 cents for a bottle of water.
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