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Old 12-17-2012, 08:24 AM   #1621
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Its a matter of knowing what the likely fail components on your particular model of bike are. Its not BMW vs KTM, Carb vs FI ... those are non issues. The issue is knowing what are common failures on your particular bike.

KTM 690 owners, go forth and buy ye-selves fuel pumps !

What is a pity is that manufacturers don't correct known faults earlier. Why did it take KTM 4 years to change the fuel pump? But established long standing owners know all of this stuff anyway and know to carry spares of them.
My 2008 690 E finally gave up at about 30k miles (engine). Still on the original fuel pump/ filter. I did however carry a replacement when going on a long trip to Canada just in case. Another 690 rider on that ride had an extra filter, so we figured we had each other covered if an issue arose.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:43 AM   #1622
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Between the main and auxilliary fuel tanks I have about 26 litres. That's about 6-ish (Ok 5.7) UK gallons and the bike has positively miserly fuel consumption. I used to work it out in my head when I was riding along ... 18 ( for example)litres fuel bought divided by 4.5 litres per gallon, then the miles covered divided by that number of gallons...
Anal?...maybe but you're in your own head a long time on these trips and it worked out to not less than 70 to the UK gallon at 70 mph. So I had not less than 400 miles range. In Russia you're NEVER going to run out of fuel unless you're a total donkey-or you're towing a KTM Terry- as there's tons of fuel stations, and it's so cheap it's ridiculous. I don't think I ever ran into the reserve on the main-i.e lower tank for more than a few miles and the usual fill up was 16-17 litres. In essence (french joke!) the pump was never uncovered, but always covered....... in Essence Oh..my aching sides... .........Must get out more.
How the bike was run before I got it I have of course no idea, but suspect that the bike was sold because the previous owner had the same issues I did but wasn't faced wit the same imperative as me to sort out, and managed to blag it into the dealer against a new bike when it was behaving.
The typical FI pump failure is usually many miles after it's first damage, so since you bought it used...who knows.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:28 AM   #1623
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Excellant RR

This is such an excellant/awesome ride report, ..I have been tuning in every morning for updates since your start. Very much enjoying your trip and pictures. Thanks so much!

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:36 AM   #1624
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Loving this RR!! Aside from the pictures, the scenery, the adventures and the people, it hits home for me as both my parents are of Russian descent (my dad was born there) but I've never been, and until recently wasn't sure I wanted to. Exploring the Altai on 2 wheels looks like a lot more fun than visiting Moscow or St Petersburg and touring museums. Thanks Walter, Rod, Terry, Prutscher and Beamster for allowing me to vicariously travel with you.

I got a kick out of Walter's casual mention of knowing a mechanic in Aktash. I've been riding for almost 40 years and don't know any mechanics anywhere. And despite my Russian background and probably better than average knowledge of the geography for an American, I'd never heard of Aktash. But Walter just happens to know a mechanic there! I need to get out more ...

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Old 12-17-2012, 10:21 AM   #1625
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Here is a picture of Viktor taken when I passed through Barnaul a few weeks later.....working on the bike of a rider from Vladivostok who had just come through Mongolia.

and victor a few weeks after that..

no more gypsum, only bandages
and offcourse replacing a tire
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:51 AM   #1626
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The typical FI pump failure is usually many miles after it's first damage, so since you bought it used...who knows.
i wonder if dumping a little MMO in the tank periodically to keep it lubed up (versus dry fuel + water) would extend the reliability of the pump?
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:16 PM   #1627
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As for the D90 - I leave my more expensive lenses at home and take just the stock 18-105 lens with me on bike trips. Its light. Surprisingly sharp for a stock lens, and inexpensive - meaning its expendible. If I lose it in a water crossing I wont need to remortgage my flat. They are less than 200 quid on ebay.
Where do you leave all your camera gear on the bike and how do you protect it ?
I can imagine that those bumpy rides and water-crossings aren't the best for your gear.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:34 PM   #1628
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Where do you leave all your camera gear on the bike and how do you protect it ?
I can imagine that those bumpy rides and water-crossings aren't the best for your gear.
I had some in my tank bag and a small one in a pocket of my jacket.
The next time I will protect them better for doing the river crossings
None of my camera's survived this trip except the one on my cell phone.
All the damage was because of water........And I don't mean RAIN
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:40 PM   #1629
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Where do you leave all your camera gear on the bike and how do you protect it ?
I can imagine that those bumpy rides and water-crossings aren't the best for your gear.
Tank bag is fine for the DSLR ... its right above the centre of mass for the whole bike so that area moves the least over bumps. As for water crossings, I try not to let the tank bag go under. You can also get small waterproof roll bags to put cameras in , inside your tank bag
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:52 PM   #1630
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But why??????

Is there anyone that knows the actual reason for the random shutdown of the bike. Is there an overload breaker that opens when the pump draws too hard? Is there a safety built into the mapping that causes the system to shut down if it senses inadequate fuel pressure?

In other words: It is very unlikely that the pump would repeatedly seize and release during the trip without damaging itself to the point of complete non-function.

Knowing the actual mechanism of the failure could save someone a lot of grief someday. Like the FishFund bike, the regulator was causing the ECU to have a little seizure randomly.

I'm just the kind of pigheaded fool that doesn't like to throw parts at a problem without knowing why it improves the situation. It gives me the illusion of control.




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Between the main and auxilliary fuel tanks I have about 26 litres. That's about 6-ish (Ok 5.7) UK gallons and the bike has positively miserly fuel consumption. I used to work it out in my head when I was riding along ... 18 ( for example)litres fuel bought divided by 4.5 litres per gallon, then the miles covered divided by that number of gallons...
Anal?...maybe but you're in your own head a long time on these trips and it worked out to not less than 70 to the UK gallon at 70 mph. So I had not less than 400 miles range. In Russia you're NEVER going to run out of fuel unless you're a total donkey-or you're towing a KTM Terry- as there's tons of fuel stations, and it's so cheap it's ridiculous. I don't think I ever ran into the reserve on the main-i.e lower tank for more than a few miles and the usual fill up was 16-17 litres. In essence (french joke!) the pump was never uncovered, but always covered....... in Essence Oh..my aching sides... .........Must get out more.
How the bike was run before I got it I have of course no idea, but suspect that the bike was sold because the previous owner had the same issues I did but wasn't faced wit the same imperative as me to sort out, and managed to blag it into the dealer against a new bike when it was behaving.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #1631
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Day 50 - heading up country

Late in the day on Day 49, a couple of Aussies on DR650s (i think ...from memory) were heading down the highway, having just exited Mongolia ... saw our bikes parked in front of the hotel and decided to stay at the same hotel for the night. Rod had just arrived back in the UK at this stage (so was still at least 5 days away from rejoining us) and we sent him an order for a load more front tubes. Terry needed one, I needed one, and we owed Prutser one ... having used his spare too now. Only Beamster still was carrying a spare 21 inch tube out of 4 bikes.

We chatted the evening away with the Aussie lads and then caught them again at breakfast. We were just on the way out for a ride into the hills for a couple of days.

Breakfast was pancakes and omelettes at the hotel today:



One of the Aussie lads, getting some snaps before we went up into the hills for 2 days of exploration:

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Old 12-17-2012, 01:00 PM   #1632
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The picture they took.

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Old 12-17-2012, 01:06 PM   #1633
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Is there anyone that knows the actual reason for the random shutdown of the bike. Is there an overload breaker that opens when the pump draws too hard? Is there a safety built into the mapping that causes the system to shut down if it senses inadequate fuel pressure?

In other words: It is very unlikely that the pump would repeatedly seize and release during the trip without damaging itself to the point of complete non-function.

Knowing the actual mechanism of the failure could save someone a lot of grief someday. Like the FishFund bike, the regulator was causing the ECU to have a little seizure randomly.

I'm just the kind of pigheaded fool that doesn't like to throw parts at a problem without knowing why it improves the situation. It gives me the illusion of control.
My guess from the sounds of it, would be heat related (heat created by/ within the pump from running), but the bottom line is that it does not need to "seize" to provide a less than adequeate pressure to the injector.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:22 PM   #1634
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My guess from the sounds of it, would be heat related (heat created by/ within the pump from running), but the bottom line is that it does not need to "seize" to provide a less than adequeate pressure to the injector.
I agree, but less than adequate pressure will not stop the bike from running. It will just make it run badly (and potentially destroy the motor in the long run).

It seems that Rod's pump was completely shutting down when it got hot. Somebody who has the full system documentation on this bike (possibly a factory KTM tech) can look up and see if the ECU will cut signal for the pump if certain situations exist.

There is also the possibility that the heat in the pump was causing cavitation issues. We may never know, or we may not learn this time. I am simply curious like that.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:23 PM   #1635
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I had some in my tank bag and a small one in a pocket of my jacket.
The next time I will protect them better for doing the river crossings
None of my camera's survived this trip except the one on my cell phone.
All the damage was because of water........And I don't mean RAIN
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Tank bag is fine for the DSLR ... its right above the centre of mass for the whole bike so that area moves the least over bumps. As for water crossings, I try not to let the tank bag go under. You can also get small waterproof roll bags to put cameras in , inside your tank bag
That hurts to see your gear drowned (nieuw setje marktplaats )

I will be packing my stuff in the tankbag in a waterproof bag. Did last trip with a pocket camera but I missed my DSLR

Thanks both for the answers !
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