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Old 01-14-2013, 02:53 AM   #2596
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Russia again

When you're in 99.9% of Mong, ....there are no trees, when you get to the border the tree fairy had been and BAM--Tree City. As soon as you cross the border...beats me.

It was now early evening but we wanted to get some miles under our belts and get up to Ulan Ude if possible. I'd plenty of fuel so didn't gas up as we left the border post.
We left and were soon out of the border town and in open country again. Once again it cooled down but the road was empty and we grooved on. Terry flagged me after an hour or so and warned me that he was running low on fuel.
There's bound to be a station soon so we had no choice but to plough on.....and on...eventually with Terry in front so I wouldn't miss the moment.... his bike coughed and died. Which it did.
Such is life, I'd plenty so we siphoned 3 or 4 litres out and bashed on...and on. We slowed down to 50 to conserve fuel and got to a gas staion just as his bike was on the last drops-and gratefully filled up.
Naturally there was a station every 500 yards now!

It was now raining hard and very cold so we had a grim last hour until we approached UU, and we spied a hotel that was on the GPS. it looked to be closed when we got there but Terry went in to check and result! It was open, clean. modern, cheap and had a resto and bar and secure parking.

We got our gear up to the room, grabbed a shower and went down to the resto. The sign said it was open until some godawful hour maybe for truckers but we were by those standards quite early.
The girl behind the bar/resto counter was really friendly and we ordered some food and 3 beers..I needed one NOW! The woman cook looked very frazzled but the food came ( it wasn't great) but it looked like a nice quiet end to the day.

Another couple had come down were sitting close to us and ordered some food too. their meals arrived whilst we were finsihing ours and after a minute the woman of the couple started revving up about her food at the counter girl, who called the cook out. The counter girl called the owner down from the flat upstairs.

World War 3 now broke out with the owner and the cook screaming at each other, and the woman of the couple joining in to help.
Terry and I thought it best to say bugger all and keep our heads down, or the way this was going we'd get stabbed.
We realised to cook was drunk off her face ...now it was time for the Brave Adventurers to make a strategic withdrawal...40 river crossings in a day is fine but bollocks to getting between 2 fighting/drunk women.
With a final shriek cook slammed the door and pissed off in high dudgeon.

It's never dull.....

"Bedtime Mr B?" "I think so Mr C"

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Old 01-14-2013, 03:18 AM   #2597
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Walter, on that trip through China all those years ago, you have an Australian Geographic Sticker on the back of your bag on the bike. Can I find a story in one of my early AG magazines about your trip, and if so, do you know which edition it is in?
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Old 01-14-2013, 03:20 AM   #2598
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Another couple had come down were sitting close to us and ordered some food too. their meals arrived whilst we were finsihing ours and after a minute the woman of the couple started revving up about her food at the counter girl, who called the cook out. The counter girl called the owner down from the flat upstairs.

World War 3 now broke out with the owner and the cook screaming at each other, and the woman of the couple joining in to help.
Terry and I thought it best to say bugger all and keep our heads down, or the way this was going we'd get stabbed.
We realised to cook was drunk off her face ...now it was time for the brave adventurers to make a stratefgic withdrawal...but not before the cook had slammed the door and pissed off in high dudgeon.

It's never dull.....
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:01 AM   #2599
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Thats very debatable.

I dont want to go into too much off topic here ... but briefly:

Firstly in those days everyone was a brutal conqueror / occupier. You think Richard the Lionheart and other fellow brave Christians are viewed as a nice guys in Arab eyes for the third crusade? It was how things were done. You cant judge history by today's morality. Otherwise George Washington was a terrorist, Thomas Jefferson a slave keeper, Abraham Lincoln denied the southern states the democratic right to self determination, Robert E Lee fought for the slave trade ... etc etc etc. History has to be viewed through the morality of the day. Americans believe that their country has been democratic since inception yet denied women the right to vote till something like 1925. Does that mean Americans before 1925 were immoral? Or that its not necessary for the voice of women to be heard in a democracy? Or .. That you can only judge morality by the standards of the day?

We have no way of knowing how morality will evolve from where we are now and what things we do today will be viewed as disgusting by future generations. If in the future for example (a random made up example), lets imagine they deem keeping pets as grossly immoral, maybe they might view keeping an animals life purely for human enjoyment as a kind of slavery, it would be unfair and unreasonable for your great grandchildren to disown you and consider you an evil monster because by their future standards, what you do today is immoral. What you do today can only be judged by todays standards. Another example might be horse racing ... today we keep horses and breed horses for the sole purpose of making them race around a track while we bet money on it. Thats fine by todays morality. But in the future they may consider it inhumane. Who knows? Maybe even keeping animals for food will be considered inhumane in the future. There are many around today who already have that belief and their numbers are rising. No-one here today is capable of predicting what the morality will be like in 100 years time. Let alone in 800 years time. You are judging Genghis Khan by morality that has changed for 800 years since his day. Do you want to be morally judged for your actions by someone 800 years in the future? By their future standards of morality? I know I dont.

We all have wives, sisters, girlfriends, daughters, mothers even who wear bikinis. Maybe at some stage in the future it bis considered immoral for women to wear that. Maybe in future the display of female skin in public becomes disgusting to future people. It would not be fair of them to judge the women of today as all sluts because the morality has evolved. The morality of todays women can only be judged by todays standards of dress and behaviour.

Secondly, by the standards of the day, Genghis Khan's occupations were quite enlightened. He actually welcomed conquered foreigners into his military, making many officers. He welcomed them into his administration, making many of them high ranking officials. And he was only of the few leaders in his day (and for hundreds of years later) that encouraged religious plurality. Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Judaism were all common in the Mongol court. Genghis Khan felt they all had value and all had useful lessons to teach. Women had a very high standing in his empire relative to Europe. For almost a decade (1240s) the Mongol empire was run by two women. One of them a Christian. The liberalism and enlightenment of Genghis Khan is ecactly was is argued convincingly by American author Jack Weatherford in his 2005 book Genghis Khan and the making of the modern World. He also pointa out that by the standards of his day he was not particularly brutal nor a tyrant.

Further, contemporary accounts written by European monks and traders who visited the Mongol court such as those by William of Rubruck and Marco Polo speak of how tolerant, enlightened and multicultural the Mongol Empire was. They are judging compared to the morality of Europe of the day obviously and to contemporary western leaders.

It may come as a surprise if you havent read much about him, but Genghis Khan was quite enlightened and liberal for his time.
Thanks for that Walter. I know from reading your previous posts that you are a fan of Genghis Khan, or at least a supporter. I was waiting for your rebuttal.

Can you recommend a good book to begin learning about Genghis Khan?

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Old 01-14-2013, 06:37 AM   #2600
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[QUOTE Colebatch; Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Judaism were all common in the Mongol court. Genghis Khan felt they all had value and all had useful lessons to teach[/QUOTE]

There's a great story in one of the GK books I've read of a debate ordered by Genghis Khan to get closer to which religion was "right". Buddhists, Christians, Jews Muslims, etc were all invited.
It started off well with cogent points being made although not always agreed with, but the Christians were drinking and as the debate got more heated and accusations were levelled they were getting more pissed ( drunk) and started shouting back. In the end they stopped listening and started signing hymns to drown out the other religion's representatives in a childish "Lah lah lah I can't hear you" way. . It's a scream. Good that our religious scholars are so mature. Plus ca change, plus c'est le meme chose.

Jerusalem today anyone?.

There's more and it's much better than this-I'll see if I can find the section tonight-unless someone has it already?
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:49 AM   #2601
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Just so you know, the citizens of the Capital of The United States of America still do not get to vote for a full fledged representative in Congress.


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Thats very debatable.

I dont want to go into too much off topic here ... but briefly:


Firstly in those days everyone was a brutal conqueror / occupier. You think Richard the Lionheart and other fellow brave Christians are viewed as a nice guys in Arab eyes for the third crusade? It was how things were done. You cant judge history by today's morality. Otherwise George Washington was a terrorist, Thomas Jefferson a slave keeper, Abraham Lincoln denied the southern states the democratic right to self determination, Robert E Lee fought for the slave trade ... etc etc etc. History has to be viewed through the morality of the day. Americans believe that their country has been democratic since inception yet denied women the right to vote till something like 1925. Does that mean Americans before 1925 were immoral? Or that its not necessary for the voice of women to be heard in a democracy? Or .. That you can only judge morality by the standards of the day?"

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Old 01-14-2013, 06:50 AM   #2602
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... we approached UU, and we spied a hotel that was on the GPS. it looked to be closed when we got there but Terry went in to check and result! It was open, clean. modern, cheap and had a resto and bar and secure parking.
That wouldnt be the big pink "Motel"place about 200 yards off the east side of the road as you approach UU from the south?
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Can you recommend a good book to begin learning about Genghis Khan?

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http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-M...s=genghis+khan

http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-L...s=genghis+khan

Theres a couple of starters
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Such a debate was not a one-off. Religious discussions and debate were actually highly encouraged at the mongol court. These inter-religious discussions were quite common. So I can only assume they did not all end in such childish behaviour.
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He took NINTH in yesterday's stage.
A look at the live positions indicates he is into the top 50 now ...


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First Brit in the top ten since 2001.
Thats actually an appalling fact ... There have been no British top ten finishes in the roughly 150 Dakar stages held between 2001 and 2 days ago????

We should be ashamed ... seriously. I dont want to think about how many top ten stage placings Holland has had, and its a country with a quarter the population and about 20 yards of legal off road riding terrain. We have infinitely more off road terrain and 4 times the population and we are THAT BAD??? I am shocked.

At least the Brits dominate extreme enduro with the top 3 riders in the world
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[QUOTE=Colebatch;20479471]http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-M...s=genghis+khan

Thanks. They both sound great. Of the two, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World
was available for Kindle so that's what I'll start with!
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:37 AM   #2607
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Walter, when you referenced the Jack Weatherford book a couple of years ago I went to our local library where they had a copy. It is a very easy read and gives the reader a personal view of who G K was. Thanks for your inspiration to all of us from riding perspective and an intellectual one also.

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Old 01-14-2013, 08:53 AM   #2608
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That wouldnt be the big pink "Motel"place about 200 yards off the east side of the road as you approach UU from the south?
It is Walter. Nothing the matter with the place-although the entertainment was dubious....
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It is Walter. Nothing the matter with the place-although the entertainment was dubious....
I stayed there too ... about 4 days earlier

Restaurant staff description sounded familiar :)
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I stayed there too ... about 4 days earlier

Restaurant staff description sounded familiar :)
Don,t suppose you got the early morning knock by the matriarch, to vacate the room ?

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