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Old 11-07-2012, 12:05 PM   #421
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WOW guys. I want to ride in the steppe too

Walter, at the beginning you had bad weather. Which is your equipment for raining time?
Do you put something over your clothes, or the Klim is enough?

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:09 PM   #422
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:20 PM   #423
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I could write a thesis on this ... but in summary, metal panniers are suitable for road touring and light gravel road use. As soon as you start riding off road, in sand, over rocks etc, you really need flexible luggage.

If you ride at these speeds with rigid metal boxes, everything in them will be shaken to pieces ... laptops. hard drives etc dont stand a chance.

If you are riding off road, you are expecting to drop the bike. If you drop a bike at any sort of speed with metal boxes, apart from a serious risk of breaking your leg, you box will rip of the bike, potentially damaging your subframe. One you have any sort of serious drop with metal boxes, they will no longer seal. The seals only work when the box is in the same shape it was when it left the factory. Soft luggage absorbs falls, absorbs vibration, and stays waterproof.

There is no experienced adventure motorcyclist that I know who rides largely off road, who uses metal boxes. ALL the guys I ride with ride with soft luggage, every single one. The only exception was Tony P in 2009, who rode with me, but prior to that ride he had almost no off road experience, and turned up with metal boxes. They broke the mounts on his first fall on the first day of off road. The boxes deformed slightly and ended up being rain collectors hat would regularly have to be turned inside out to dry the contents and to empty out 5-10 kgs of water that had gotten in. Long before the end of that trip he swore he would never use metal boxes again. They are a liability off road.

On top of a hundred other disadvantages, a metalbox set up will be 10-15 kgs (22-33 lbs) heavier, before you even put anything in the luggage. And the weight will be too far back ... the extra weight and worse positioning of the weight is a real liability for handling.

If you are on a 1200, and riding 80% on asphalt and 20% on gravel roads at moderate speeds, they are fine. I personally used to still take soft luggage when I rode a 1200 adventure. But on this kind of ride and this kind of trails at this kind of speeds, its totally unthinkable to use metal boxes.

As for hard plastic panniers, I have ssen them burst open the first serious fall you have (Joon 2009). Again, fine for road touring or a bit of light gravel, but for off road touring, they are not suitable.

The only hardsided side cases i have found that seem to hold up to the abuse of serious off roading are pelican cases. Though you still have mounts to deal with. I ride with them 80% of the time even in really rough off road situations and have going over more time then to count. They get scuffed but not cracked or broken... though when I rode in Australia i had the soft cased for the reason as you stated about the metal cases. The more extreme riding i have two water tight dry bags on the back.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:27 PM   #424
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Walter, at the beginning you had bad weather. Which is your equipment for raining time?
Do you put something over your clothes, or the Klim is enough?
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:35 PM   #425
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Hi Walter - Lovin the shots of Terry given er the beans.

I've got a couple questions for you regarding gear (hopefully you won't be repeating yourself). The Klim suits you and Terry were sportin - How did they hold up? Any complaints, comments ect? I'm interested if they are worth the pretty price.

Second thing: Those fancy soft bags. Again interested how they held up, and what you thought of the design and durability after travelling cross-continent? (Hard to criticize your own design )

Enjoying the story as it unfolds.. thanks for taking the time to entertain us!

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:56 PM   #426
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Shit! Late to the party; lots of catching up to do.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:36 PM   #427
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when you are riding off tarmac, how do you know which trails you are legally allowed on, or which are on private land
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:26 PM   #428
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Well.. This steppe zone is really much like my area here in Argentina...

The only difference is that here almost all the land is cultivated and there are crops growing everywhere (there are trails between the private lands of course)...

Really nice RR so far!
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #429
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I've got a couple questions for you regarding gear (hopefully you won't be repeating yourself). The Klim suits you and Terry were sportin - How did they hold up? Any complaints, comments ect? I'm interested if they are worth the pretty price.
They held up well. Its the second crossing of Eurasia for my suit. Terry knew from previous rides with me that I dont like to stop for rain, so he decided to shell out for a Badlands Pro. I will let Terry comment on his. As for mine, Its not perfect, but its the best riding gear I have owned. I also had planned to ride in a Badlands Pro, but my Badlands suit arrived back from South America a week after I departed. So I wore a Klim Rally suit I used in 2010. Biggest problem with the Rally suit is there are no vents in the arms - not an issue for the Badlands Pro which is very well vented.

I have ridden in BMW rally pro gear before Klim came on the scene, and as I said, its the best gear I have ridden in. I think its a lot better thought out than the BMW gear. A lot more practical too.

My pants are beginning to leak, but Klim and Goretex guarantee the stuff for life, so I will just send it back to them and they repair it or replace it if it leaks.


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Second thing: Those fancy soft bags. Again interested how they held up, and what you thought of the design and durability after travelling cross-continent? (Hard to criticize your own design )
Yeah I am not the best guy to give objective feedback on that, but personally I was very satisfied with how they worked out. Terry and I were sporting units from a pre production batch, and within a week or two I sent back a list of minor tweaks to AS to incorporate into the production models. Things like I wanted the holes in the front and rear pockets that allow a horizontal strap to pass though to be slightly wider, so that rok strap buckles can be passed through. By the end of the trip, so many things on the bike were broken. It really turned out to be a super brutal experience, this much off road, back to back for 100 days, but the luggage was one of the very few things not to give me problems. That and the fact there was nothing apart from those few early tweaks to go into the final production models that I wanted to change or alter in the bags after the 3 months. i.e. I was totally satisfied with how they performed.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:03 PM   #430
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Love the latest updates Walter. From looking at your pics, I can only imagine how much work went into putting together the tracks!

I noticed the Ukranian flag was gone; did it fly off or are we making room for a different one now that you've entered another country?
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:05 PM   #431
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Area weather?

Although this is early in the summer season, I notice the vegetation is not uniform, the crops look short and parched, the grasses are often yellow. Was the region experiencing a drought this year?

BTW, the terrain/scenery could be anywhere in the Canadian prairie that I grew up in. No wonder so many Ukrainians immigrated to our region.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:09 PM   #432
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Hey Walter. I love your rides. Ever since I found your 94 trip.

It's double interesting to me, bacause I speak russian and english equally well. And I've been to a lot of places out there as a kid and I can surely relate to the expiriences. Doesn't look like lots changed though)))

a question though: do you think a 450, say Yamaha WR450F, would be able to make the trip? In a rally suit, with some sprocket mods, a few extra bits and pieces and light luggage.

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Old 11-07-2012, 06:10 PM   #433
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Although this is early in the summer season, I notice the vegetation is not uniform, the crops look short and parched, the grasses are often yellow. Was the region experiencing a drought this year?

BTW, the terrain/scenery could be anywhere in the Canadian prairie that I grew up in. No wonder so many Ukrainians immigrated to our region.
Looks like dry-land grain farming. The harvest is almost upon them.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:59 PM   #434
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Go Pro footage takes up truck loads of space. I took 2 x 1TB hard drives with me, and filled one of them

and judging by the quality of the screen caps, well worth every byte...
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