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Old 10-11-2013, 05:07 AM   #4756
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Daaaaammmnnn Walt. You're scaring me here. I nearly completely agree with you here.
That wasnt that hard, now, was it mate ?

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Old 10-11-2013, 05:30 AM   #4757
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Hi Jeff,

690 is also cramped like the 570 (I would add that the 1200 GS and GSA are also very cramped in the leg area). They are designed for sitting down enduro riding. To adventurise them I would look at lower foot pegs, bar risers and probably high bend rally bars (instead of the OEM low bend enduro bars).

Fuel is basically an issue with any light bike (apart from the CCM 450). They all need more capacity. But dont go overboard. Too much fuel is just carrying too much weight. There are VERY few places in the world (unusually remote corners of the Sahara is about it) where you would need more than 22-25 litres in this day and age. Setting an adventure bike up with 40 litres of fuel is just a guaranteed way to end up with a bike that plods along and handles like a 1920s schoolbus.

Plastic subframes are here to stay and probably will dominate in the future. They make plastic guns, so I have no doubt they can make a subframe strong enough out of plastic. A better topic for worry would be how much was it designed to carry rather than is it strong cause its plastic. I would guess it will have been designed so a fat bloke (say 120 kgs / 265 lbs) can sit on it and go over jumps. If you are going to throw 30 kgs of luggage over it, and stand up over jumps, or dont jump, then I would reckon its tough enough. Working out a rack / attachment system is something I havent gotten around to yet.

For what its worth I also find the front suspension on the Husaberg excessively harsh. KTM have put premium forks on the bike but I really dont think its been set up well - certainly not for the way I like to ride thats for sure. I will either be totally re springing and valving the forks or will change the forks to something more "comfortable" like the 50mm marzocchis I used last year or single chamber WPs.

Front end is light on the berg (the whole bike is light actually) cause as a race bike, you are expected to sit much more forward on it ... throw your weight forward all the time, and have your nuts right next to the fuel filler. If you put a front fairing on it and add 5-6-7 kgs up front with lights and electronics, then add rally tanks (also which keep weight forward) then you can relax a bit more and sit back a bit more. The power to weight of that bike is high and you do have to sit more fwd just to keep the front wheel on the ground.

My 690 Reservations .... it has a narrow gearbox, unstable steering and not very good suspension. Nothing you can do about the gearbox. But a steering damper and or different triple clamps (less offset) will help the stability, and a suspension specialist can help with the suspension. You need a different rear spring anyway to go adventuring, and many people swap the 690 forks for proper EXC forks. Theres a company of Dutch ex WP engineers called Tractive Suspension that makes a living from making good shocks to replace the less good WP units on the OEM bike. There are a bunch of other necessary mods for the bike. Subframe attachments / bushes, fuel filter, fuel pump, voltage regulator, etc etc, but they are all pretty well documented.

Just opinions.

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Hi Walter!
I have been following the bike choice articles and looking for my next bike with a mind to riding the TCAT in the future. Last weekend I went and test drove 2 Husaberg 570s with a mind to purchasing. I noted several things:
The bars are too low in relation to the pegs. Bar risers and/or taller bars for extended standing required. I am 5'10".
The seat is too low in relation to the pegs making long cruising on pavement or gravel uncomfortable. Knees sharply bent.
Fuel tank very small, especially in view of the 40mpg average quoted by the owner. Longest trip about 160k on a tank.
Rear subframe is plastic. How much weight can it safely carry?
No rear rack or mounting points for my Magadan panniers or gear bags.
No wind protection for extended high speed cruising.
I found the supension harsh. I believe this is due to the mods the owners had done rather than it being a trait of the model. I wish I had been able to ride one in stock form.
Frontend very light. Easy to get the front wheel up in 3rd and 4th gear. May be an issue when loading more gear on the back.
I am curious how you are going to address these issues for long distance riding and what other issues you have noticed on your Husabergs and how you plan to fix them.

I am also looking for a 650 XC but so far the closest is 1000k away so I haven't rode one yet.
I was interested to see you mention the KTM 690 as that is on my short list as well. What are your reservations on that bike for your type of riding?
Thanks for any insight you can provide. Your willingness to share your knowledge and opinions is appreciated and valued.

Regards....justjeff
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:59 AM   #4758
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Ultimate comparison

What I always wanted to do... (but its probably impractical) is to take 6 different bikes, all with riders of a similar riding level, and set them out on something like the sibirsky extreme trail ... a 3+ month off road challenge of all sorts of terrain. Six bikes, modified for purpose of course, but based on the following:

KTM 690
G650XC
Berg 570
Husky 630 maybe
CCM GP450
DR650 or XR650L (one for the air cooled set)
And whatever others someone wanted to try

And see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun.

Unless you do it 100 times of course you cant guard against lemons or freak events delivering misleading results. BUt still I figure it would be a worthwhile exercise.
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:04 AM   #4759
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What I always wanted to do... (but its probably impractical) is to take 6 different bikes, all with riders of a similar riding level, and set them out on something like the sibirsky extreme trail ... a 3+ month off road challenge of all sorts of terrain. Six bikes, modified for purpose of course, but based on the following:

KTM 690
G650XC
Berg 570
Husky 630 maybe
CCM GP450
DR650 or XR650L (one for the air cooled set)

And see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun.

Unless you do it 100 times of course you cant guard against lemons or freak events delivering misleading results. BUt still I figure it would be a worthwhile exercise.
And have them switch rides to see how they compare. Assuming one doesn't weigh 150 and the other 250lbs, set up for specific rider weight

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Old 10-11-2013, 06:07 AM   #4760
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What I always wanted to do... (but its probably impractical) is to take 6 different bikes, all with riders of a similar riding level, and set them out on something like the sibirsky extreme trail ... a 3+ month off road challenge of all sorts of terrain. Six bikes, modified for purpose of course, but based on the following:

KTM 690
G650XC
Berg 570
Husky 630 maybe
CCM GP450
DR650 or XR650L (one for the air cooled set)
And whatever others someone wanted to try

And see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun.

Unless you do it 100 times of course you cant guard against lemons or freak events delivering misleading results. BUt still I figure it would be a worthwhile exercise.
I was hoping the DR 650 could have made the last trip but it was not to be.


Need to add in the DRZ !
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:20 AM   #4761
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And for the X-challenge the mods are;

- "Hot Rod Welding" 9.5 litre "Jumbo X-Tank" (page 24)
- "Hot Rod Welding" custom luggage rack (page 24)
- "Touratech" rallye fairing (page 1)
- "SR Racing" exhaust (page 64)
- "Rayz" seat (page 1)
- "Hyperpro" rear shock (page 2)
- MaxKools airbox mod, with Unifilter
- "Touratech" rear chain guide (page 2)
- Bixenon Projectors with "HID50" bulbs and ballasts (page 5)
- "Scheffelmeier" wheel spacers (page 15)
- "Touratech" rear steel subframe (page 22)
- "Barkbusters" handguards (page 22)
- "Scheffelmeier" case saver (page 22)
- "Double Take" Ram mount mirrors (page 22)
- "WP" 48mm forks and triple clamps from 640 Adventure (page 23)
- "Hyperpro" fork springs (page 23)
- "Hyperpro" custom fork revalving (page 23)
- "Excel" A60 front rim (page 23)
- "Haan Wheels" KTM front hub (page 23)
- "KTM" 990 front fender (page 23)
- "Scheffelmeier" rally bash plate and Odyssey battery (page 25)
- "Ironman" rear sprocket (page 25)
- "Excel" rear rim (page 59)
- Hot Rod "X-Rack" luggage rack (page 80)
- Hot Rod KTM 690 Rally Replica Fairing (page 74 and p106 & p109)
- Shorai Lithium battery (page 68)
- Marzocchi 50 mm dual chamber (closed cartridge) forks (p 112)
- Adventure-Spec Magadan soft luggage (page 112)
- OSCO chain oiler (p118)
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Old 10-11-2013, 07:23 AM   #4762
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:56 AM   #4763
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It seams the are just a small selection I'd like. The 690 is high on my list but the cost plus ( maybe ) reliability problems. The CCM450 but we have yet to find out how the finished bike is in the real world. The 570 seems realy attractive but not to many about plus I don't know much about aftermarket tanks ect. I have a XR that I could rebuild but while I like this bike for greenlanes I don't think I'd like to use it for a long trip. Could consider a DRZ but for some reason they don't turn me on so much. Decisions decisions
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:23 AM   #4764
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Hmmmm

If this multi bike test comes to fruition... I'd enter it and ship my Modded KLR650/685/705 over for the adventure.
Everything done/swapped out but the frame and overflow tank, (Which I may remove/relocate using a smaller unit for more weight savings).
She weighs 510lbs or 232kg fully loaded for the tour. Sleeping bag, tent, tools etc... cameras, cords all the kit I need for multi month rides, including temps below the freeze point.
I could prob get her to 500/227 with a little more shaving of the package, but I do like my tools and they are about as light as I can go now.

Will have to strip her down sometime to get a dry weight... which actually I'm not as interested in, but for comparison sake.

I haven't seen it posted Walter, but do you and/or any of the riding gang from SE2012 have any numbers of your bikes weights as they sit, Loaded up and ready to ride out onto the trail?

Thanx alot,
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Old 10-11-2013, 04:36 PM   #4765
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What I always wanted to do... (but its probably impractical) is to take 6 different bikes, all with riders of a similar riding level, and set them out on something like the sibirsky extreme trail ... a 3+ month off road challenge of all sorts of terrain. Six bikes, modified for purpose of course, but based on the following:

KTM 690
G650XC
Berg 570
Husky 630 maybe
CCM GP450
DR650 or XR650L (one for the air cooled set)
And whatever others someone wanted to try

And see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun.

Unless you do it 100 times of course you cant guard against lemons or freak events delivering misleading results. BUt still I figure it would be a worthwhile exercise.
Does that mean if I get a CCM you'll invite me on your next trip? I'll put down a deposit tomorrow!!

JG
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:28 PM   #4766
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Thanks Walter for the excellent reply to my questions. I didn't realize the 690 has a close ratio gearbox. Down to two choices, the HB570 or the XChallange. The HB for ultimate light weight or the XC. The closest XC is 1000k away, the HB only 200. Both at the same price. At least it is only a dilemma now!
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:35 AM   #4767
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What I always wanted to do... (but its probably impractical) is to take 6 different bikes, all with riders of a similar riding level, and set them out on something like the sibirsky extreme trail ... a 3+ month off road challenge of all sorts of terrain. Six bikes, modified for purpose of course, but based on the following:

KTM 690
G650XC
Berg 570
Husky 630 maybe
CCM GP450
DR650 or XR650L (one for the air cooled set)
And whatever others someone wanted to try

And see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun.

Unless you do it 100 times of course you cant guard against lemons or freak events delivering misleading results. BUt still I figure it would be a worthwhile exercise.
Maybe I'll be in a position to provide some feedback on a DR350 by end of 2015, if my plans work out. But at this stage I'm still working on the bike(s). They need a larger fuel tank, a better suspension (hyperpro), and some kind of luggage rack so I can use panniers. Mind you, my riding capabilities and bikes will not allow me to sustain the 100-110 km/h speeds..

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Old 10-12-2013, 02:36 AM   #4768
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This experiment would be pointless, and would prove nothing. Failure is so circumstantial and you can't design for everything. The Dakar rally shows that with lots of modifications things still go wrong. We rode 2 identical bikes through volcanic dust. One shock piston seized, the other didn't. What caused that?
I did NOT said it would "prove" anything.

I DID say you would need to do it 100 times.

I DID say it would be a worthwhile exercise. Why? While a single 3 month loaded up, on the trail test is not going to prove anything, it is (1) a lot more valid that a weekend ride in a motorcycle magazine or a test ride from a dealer (2) any single test is part of the evidence that people use to make judgements. Individual pieces of evidence don't need to be a smoking gun in order to be useful as part of proving a case.
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What case is that though?
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:38 AM   #4770
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What case is that though?
In this case... simply to "see how they go - as a test of performance, durability and fun."
End of story.
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