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Old 10-14-2013, 04:36 PM   #4786
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Please don't ruin a great thread with endless b.s.. All the most recent crap has been punted. The Ride Report rules are clear; read them.

Technical questions regarding bikes and weight and gear have been asked many times previously.. if you've read through the entire thread and still have questions, take it to PM. If Walter has time, he'll respond..
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:42 PM   #4787
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:43 PM   #4788
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Please don't ruin a great thread with endless b.s.. All the most recent crap has been punted. The Ride Report rules are clear; read them.

Technical questions regarding bikes and weight and gear have been asked many times previously.. if you've read through the entire thread and still have questions, take it to PM. If Walter has time, he'll respond..

Bout time....
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:24 AM   #4789
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We agree again. Twice in a week. :)

It's a cool idea to take all different bikes along something but pointless to conclude anything from though.

No 2 trips are ever the same. Which is great.
I've read pretty much everything Walter and others have had to say regarding the G650X with Walter's analysis carrying a great deal in weight in my decision to actually purchase said bike. Walter doesn't appear to be blindly loyal to one bike over another but arrives at his decision via "critical thinking."

Here's and apt definition of "critical thinking" (not to be confused with just being a critic. )

I apologize in advance for the hijack and will remain from here, as I almost always do, mute.

"Critical thinking is self-guided, self-disciplined thinking which attempts to reason at the highest level of quality in a fair-minded way. People who think critically consistently attempt to live rationally, reasonably, empathically. They are keenly aware of the inherently flawed nature of human thinking when left unchecked. They strive to diminish the power of their egocentric and sociocentric tendencies. They use the intellectual tools that critical thinking offers concepts and principles that enable them to analyze, assess, and improve thinking. They work diligently to develop the intellectual virtues of intellectual integrity, intellectual humility, intellectual civility, intellectual empathy, intellectual sense of justice and confidence in reason. They realize that no matter how skilled they are as thinkers, they can always improve their reasoning abilities and they will at times fall prey to mistakes in reasoning, human irrationality, prejudices, biases, distortions, uncritically accepted social rules and taboos, self-interest, and vested interest. They strive to improve the world in whatever ways they can and contribute to a more rational, civilized society. At the same time, they recognize the complexities often inherent in doing so. They avoid thinking simplistically about complicated issues and strive to appropriately consider the rights and needs of relevant others. They recognize the complexities in developing as thinkers, and commit themselves to life-long practice toward self-improvement. They embody the Socratic principle: The unexamined life is not worth living , because they realize that many unexamined lives together result in an uncritical, unjust, dangerous world. ~ Linda Elder, September, 2007"
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:45 AM   #4790
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Hy Walter...

I have another questions. I know that choice of a helmet is some kind of personal choice...but. If you decided to remake your Sibirski extreme tour...what kind of helmet would you choice...again the same model (open face) or maybe, cross model or integral or...?.

What will be your first choice and why?
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:48 PM   #4791
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What will be your first choice and why?
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Are you kidding me? I haven't looked at this thread in 6 months, and I'm dumbfounded. And yeah, I know, I just added to the BS.
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:34 PM   #4792
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Hy Walter...

I have another questions. I know that choice of a helmet is some kind of personal choice...but. If you decided to remake your Sibirski extreme tour...what kind of helmet would you choice...again the same model (open face) or maybe, cross model or integral or...?.

What will be your first choice and why?
Thx.
You must have missed it in this thread because Walter mentioned that he prefer his group to wear open face helmet so people could see who is approaching them on the motorcycle instead of closed face helmet as if you are an alien. In a way I can see what he is saying.. and it makes sense.
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:49 AM   #4793
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Are you kidding me? I haven't looked at this thread in 6 months, and I'm dumbfounded. And yeah, I know, I just added to the BS.
Seems you are very cleaver person. Maybe because you are from US? And I don't remember that i ask you for opinion..
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Old 10-21-2013, 01:55 AM   #4794
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You must have missed it in this thread because Walter mentioned that he prefer his group to wear open face helmet so people could see who is approaching them on the motorcycle instead of closed face helmet as if you are an alien. In a way I can see what he is saying.. and it makes sense.
I didn't miss any tread. I know that Walter mentioned that he prefer his group to wear open face helmet so people could see who is approaching them on the motorcycle which is very reasonable.

I was more thinking from the any other point of view..for example...wind and rain protection, safety etc. Sometimes on the long rides things are different as we imagine before trip...so when you come back, many of us make some changes....I ask about helmet only for these reasons!
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:14 AM   #4795
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I didn't miss any tread. I know that Walter mentioned that he prefer his group to wear open face helmet so people could see who is approaching them on the motorcycle which is very reasonable.

I was more thinking from the any other point of view..for example...wind and rain protection, safety etc. Sometimes on the long rides things are different as we imagine before trip...so when you come back, many of us make some changes....I ask about helmet only for these reasons!
It is fairly common on threads where the information has already been given, or a question has been asked before that regular subscribers who are reasonably certain of giving the correct answer chime in to point out the information. Especially, on the very popular threads like this one. I look at it as giving the Original Poster a little bit of a break from having to repeat over and over what has already been said. Colebatch from various other of his postings likes information to be correct and takes people to task if they have written something that is erroneous. I'm sure if he thinks I'm out of line with anything I write in this post he'll point that out as well. He and many other OPs of the most popular threads seem to have amazing patience answering the same questions over and over. Often times it is because the posers of the questions could not be bothered to read what has already been written out for them. For example, Walter is known for taking stunning pictures to go along with his threads. In most of them he starts off early on and lists out exactly what cameras he is using for a particular trip. Inevitably he gets questions from about half a dozen photographers in the course of a thread asking him what cameras he is using this trip. My guess is that some avid photographers have a tendency more so than the average person to just look at the pretty pictures and not bother with reading the text of a thread?

What you may not be aware of is that Colebatch has quite a number of epic length ride report threads here on this website, and also on others. If I recall correctly he wears that same style helmet with full length plastic face shield on most of his trips. He has had tens of thousands of miles over multiple trips to ponder the suitability of that helmet system to meet his needs. If it rains or he has too much wind in his face I assume he would put it down to protect his face. If it is down I would hazard a guess that it is somewhat comparable to the protection of a proper full face helmet. From the pictures I see he often drives with it in the raised position—less protection that way. Maybe someday he’ll have an off and receive a chin injury? Hasn’t happened yet—people have to make decisions about what is a reasonable amount of risk for them based on their experiences and knowledge base. Walter has a great deal of both. In my experience I worked for a number of years as an orderly in a psychiatric hospital. On the long term care wards there were a number of people living with traumatic brain injuries. A couple of them were due to impact caused injuries (as opposed to asphyxiation/drowning/stroke) One of them was due to just wearing an old time leather helmet (the person’s accident happened many decades ago) and coming off of a bike. I had to change their diapers. So for me I wear a full face helmet on motorcycles (with the flip up chin bar in recent years) and a bike helmet when bicycling. I guess even if you kitted yourself with as much gear as a Star Wars Storm Trooper you can not reduce your risk of injury to zero—you can only ameliorate it. If I recall correctly I heard a stat for a study recently that motorcyclists are about 50 times more likely to die in a motor vehicle accident compared to someone in a “cage”. The researchers concluded that as a rule, motorcyclists grossly under estimate their odds of being killed while riding a bike. I’ve had a number of friends and acquaintances die on motos over the years. I've pondered it and it is an acceptable risk to me. I still ride.

As you have acknowledged you have read and understood Colebatch’s rather detailed reasons for making that gear choice and I’m sure from reading the thread you realize that the OP in this case is extremely analytical and meticulous about his gear selection—yet does not stick to dogma and sometimes changes his opinion when new information comes to light and he is a prolific writer—I think it is reasonable to assume that he has not had an epiphany that there is a better type of helmet style out there for him for this type of trip—because he would have brought it up already and Adventure Spec would be nearing completion on the perfected prototype as we speak—lol.

All that being said I think you will laugh at me when I tell you I recently sent him a PM on a subject that had already been covered several times in his threads. It was even gear related. I had a little new tidbit of info to share—wondering what his opinion on it might be. I guess I didn’t want to clutter up this outstanding thread (which I suppose I’m guilty of adding to with this post) if I could help it. So, as I’ve been waiting for a reply back from one of my favorite adv gurus to see if he thinks I might be on to something or a tiresome dough head—I’m aware his last post was a few days ago—so he might be buggered off on a trip somewhere, and you might have to wait a spell to get your desired Colebatch opinion.

So in closing guys let’s have a little patience with one another and not let a snarky tone due to flustration, or a defensive reply in response to it detract from this awesome thread.

I wonder if all this will be pruned and punted?
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Old 10-21-2013, 09:56 AM   #4796
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@Bike Nomad.
I'm extremely grateful for your time and detail explanation about that helmet thing. I'm 100% agree with you and your answer is more than fair explained...so thank you very much.

Since I'm preparing for the "eastern" tour next year (Greece-Turkey-Iran-Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan-Kazakhstan-Mongolia-Russia-Ukraine-Hungary-Slovenia) i will try to collect as much as possible useful information from people who are experienced.

That's why, and only that's why i ask Walter for hes opinion.

But as I said, your answer is very fair and help me a lot.

Thx again for response!
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Old 10-21-2013, 11:25 AM   #4797
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@Bike Nomad.
I'm extremely grateful for your time and detail explanation about that helmet thing. I'm 100% agree with you and your answer is more than fair explained...so thank you very much.

Since I'm preparing for the "eastern" tour next year (Greece-Turkey-Iran-Turkmenistan-Uzbekistan-Tajikistan-Kyrgyzstan-Kazakhstan-Mongolia-Russia-Ukraine-Hungary-Slovenia) i will try to collect as much as possible useful information from people who are experienced.

That's why, and only that's why i ask Walter for hes opinion.

But as I said, your answer is very fair and help me a lot.

Thx again for response!
I will chime in on this. My experience is with an HJC helmet of the open face type. When in traffic with the shield down I still get stung now and then with fine debri kicked up by cars and such . The pro's are a better field of vision less fogging up which can be a real bitch here in the PNW and for me a better awareness of what is happening around me along with a better road feel. That's just me. I also own a Fly dual sport helmet and a Scorpion full face. I like the HJC better and am considering upgrading to a Nolan as it seems to offer a little more protection.
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:51 AM   #4798
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The true value is to encourage other people to explore the world on a motorcycle - away from the highways, main roads and truckstops.

If I can do that, if I can encourage people to do more in Russia than the trans siberian highway, or more in Kazakhstan than the main roads to and from Almaty, then I will die a happy man.

Walter,

Spent the most part of two weeks going through this report. I have been a long time lurker and had read your earlier report with TonyP and Terry a year or two ago, and then recently, I came across this

Oh, well! Quite a busy last two weeks at work

I do some riding here in India, mostly on Royal Enfields and did a trip last year to the Himalayas on street tyres!!!

You have totally put the "off road" bug in me now!

However, the Enfield is not the bike for this kind of work and I have no off road experience apart from traipsing around in the Himalayan foothills.

I'm amazed by your off road riding skills doing 100-120 kph on gravel!

There are no off road motorcycles available in India (with the exception of a 150 cc motorcycle called Hero Impulse). IMO, that's not going to be very comfortable doing the 500+ km of highways to reach the real off road terrain.

You have been an inspiration, sir! And as a first step, I intend to change to some Michelin Siracs on my road bike to explore some back roads and do a teeny bit of overlanding into Nepal soon...

Thank you everyone for a great and inspiring story!




It has been like watching a movie these last couple of weeks!!

Thank you once again!

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You have totally put the "off road" bug in me now!
Its a fine bug to have in you. And it never goes away.



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I'm amazed by your off road riding skills doing 100-120 kph on gravel!
Well firstly let me say that I merely have average off road riding skills. I am not very good at all when the going gets technical. Seasoned enduro riders would chuckle if they would see me on an enduro bike in enduro terrain. But I am very comfortable with the speed. I like riding the fast tracks, the grassland trails, the steppes. And I like to really push the speed there. Like anything in life, you get good at what you have experience of. I don't do trail riding when I am not adventure touring. So basically all the off road riding I do is the type of riding you see in these reports. So 3-6 months a year I am riding on the bike 8-10 hours a day on fast open terrain, sand, broken bridges and river crossings on a loaded bike. The result of that is it makes me very comfortable on fast open terrain, sand, broken bridges and river crossings on a loaded bike.

But I do not have much experience in mud or forests or technical steep narrow rocky terrain, and as a result I am not very good at that. And I really hate deep wheel ruts.

So the way I see it is if you spend a lot of time riding the stuff you love riding, you will inherently get good at it.

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There are no off road motorcycles available in India (with the exception of a 150 cc motorcycle called Hero Impulse). IMO, that's not going to be very comfortable doing the 500+ km of highways to reach the real off road terrain.
Well with KTM having a manufacturing base there now, I suspect that will change. India seems to embrace adventure motorcycling (all the 60KPH guys / Gaurav Jani etc), India is somewhere that "gets it". I kinda feel sorry for you guys in a way, as you are surrounded by countries whose borders are very hard for you to cross. It kinda means the only places an Indian rider can ride to are within India or Nepal. Hopefully that will change in the future.
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:20 AM   #4800
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Great trip guys!! Well done! I wish you soon even better ones!
Someday I will be also there!

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