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Old 10-24-2012, 06:57 AM   #46
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Unlike the pedal bikers, most equestrians do not force the issue.

You're lucky. Most the the equestrian types around here are giant self important elitist assholes. when I think "horse people" I think "Awe fuck, another asshole.". Sad as I grew up owning and riding horses. I love the animals I just can't stand a large percentage of their riders.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:15 AM   #47
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Ok I'll pose another question....just to be a spoon....

How come horses can crap all over the road with out the rider being required to pick it up but if my dog craps there its $150 fine if you don't pick it up??


Discuss.....
Because horses are dubiously romanticized and enshrined in US western folklore. As such they are seemingly irrevocably grandfathered in to all wilderness areas and National Parks. Thus, we pretend that they don't defecate or so much as leave footprints.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:58 PM   #48
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Because horses are dubiously romanticized and enshrined in US western folklore. As such they are seemingly irrevocably grandfathered in to all wilderness areas and National Parks. Thus, we pretend that they don't defecate or so much as leave footprints.
And horses are not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere. There were none until the Spanish brought them in the 16th century.

My feeling is that if a horse is to be ridden on public roads, it's the owner's responsibility to train the animal to not fear normal traffic. Police mounted units do it all the time. The cavalry trained their mounts to accept gunfire by the rider and to lie down and allow the trooper to take cover and fire over them. If you're too lazy to train the animal, you deserve what you get.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #49
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And horses are not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere. There were none until the Spanish brought them in the 16th century.
If you backup that line of thinking a couple decades, maybe we could get rid of all the white folks, too... They're not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere, either!

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Old 10-24-2012, 04:08 PM   #50
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If you backup that line of thinking a couple decades, maybe we could get rid of all the white folks, too... They're not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere, either!

Somebody always has to play the Race Card. Horses are fucking livestock, not humans. At least to most people. They also make tasty hamburgers.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:19 PM   #51
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If you backup that line of thinking a couple decades, maybe we could get rid of all the white folks, too... They're not indigenous to the Western Hemisphere, either!
White people and red/black/yellow people etc, are all the same species, they are no more different than a yellow lab and a chocolate lab. I am not trying to "whitewash" the effect that Europeans had on the native peoples of the Americas, but it simply is not an apt comparison.
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Yeah. OK.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:15 PM   #53
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Etiquette is just that, your on a machine they are on an animal you gave the right away. On the other hand I own horses, my wife is an avid rider and I live in an area with many farms and pass horses everyday and my question to all of them is what gives you the right to let your horse shit in the middle of the road creating an unsafe condition for motorcyclist and bicyclist alike.
I came around my favorite curve on my way home and there it was a pile of horse shit in the road, full lean and puckerd ass, a cyclist went down on a hill close to us because of a pile of horse shit. My own wifes horse shit at the bottom of our driveway, destined to be shit on forever I quess..
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:18 PM   #54
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Somebody always has to play the Race Card. Horses are fucking livestock, not humans. At least to most people. They also make tasty hamburgers.
He wasn't playing the race card. He was just making a horrendously awful analogy.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:39 PM   #55
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Q: What's the quickest way to turn a pristine mountain meadow into a shit filled, mud hole.

A: Let a few quads drive through it.

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Fixed it for you.
You don't seriously believe that there's any comparison to the damage done by horses versus the damage done by quads when off trail and into pristine places do you?
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Not that it matters, but...


"Most of the evolutionary development of the horse (54 million years ago to about 10,000 years ago) actually took place in North America, where they developed the very successful strategy of grazing (eating grass) rather than browsing (eating softer succulent leaves)."

"At some point some of them crossed into the Old World via the Arctic-Asia land bridge. Then, suddenly, no one is absolutely certain why, between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago, Equus disappeared from North and South America. Various theories have been advanced including destruction by drought, disease, or extinction as a result of hunting by growing human populations. At any rate, the horse was gone from the western hemiphere."

"The submergence of the Bering land bridge prevented any return migration from the Old World or Asia, and the horse was not seen again on its native continent until the Spanish explorers brought horses by ship in the sixteenth century."

http://www.discoverseaz.com/History/Horse.html
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You don't seriously believe that there's any comparison to the damage done by horses versus the damage done by quads when off trail and into pristine places do you?
I am no real fan of quads/rzrs, either, they seem like the horse packers of the OHV world. IMHO, the jeepers, mnt bikers and the moto riders all seem to be quite a bit more considerate, environmentally, and otherwise.

But in the end, quads are fairly limited in where the can/are allowed to go. As such, you just don't see quads in our high wilderness and desert primitive areas, or National Park back countries. Especially in the high mountains, horses do a tremendous amount of damage, especially in the damp meadows. Furthermore, you can always tell if your camp has recently had horse packers in it, and not just from the horse shit (trash in campfire rings, half burned logs, shot up cans/bottles, unburied human feces/paper to name a few).

Now to their credit, I'd imagine that most of this behavior is done by only some of the horse packers while others are quite responsible, but just like with OHV quad riders, some are responsible and many are not.
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Old 10-24-2012, 07:29 PM   #58
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Etiquette is just that, your on a machine they are on an animal you gave the right away. On the other hand I own horses, my wife is an avid rider and I live in an area with many farms and pass horses everyday and my question to all of them is what gives you the right to let your horse shit in the middle of the road creating an unsafe condition for motorcyclist and bicyclist alike.
I came around my favorite curve on my way home and there it was a pile of horse shit in the road, full lean and puckerd ass, a cyclist went down on a hill close to us because of a pile of horse shit. My own wifes horse shit at the bottom of our driveway, destined to be shit on forever I quess..
Good point ... I wonder if those horsey folk dropping poops everywhere would be the same folks who would go apeshit if your dog pooped on their lawn.

They should be required to carry poop bags, collect the offerings and then take the bag and contents home to their own garbage bin
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:00 PM   #59
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You people!

Does anyone compost dog shite? I didn't think so.

Horses are vegetarians. Thier shit decomposes into soil rather rapidly.

Thier digestive systems are not real efficent and much of the content is grass and grain.

I have a fantastic compost pile at the barn that is mainly horse shit, along with some pine shavings and hay.
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Best thing to do when approaching horses is, if approaching from behind them, speed up to a decent clip and smack that nag on the ass, hard enough to leave a brand like mark. If approaching from the front, extend your left arm, lock it in place, and make a fist, crank on that throttle to achieve ramming speed and knock that bronc out like Mongo in Blazing Saddles.

On a serious note though, give the horses room and give the riders even more. If they are any public place, then don't worry if they get squirrelly and toss the rider, they shouldn't take them out in the first place if they're that spooky.

I'm around horses all the time. I used to rodeo and my girlfriend rides competitively. In my opinion they are just an outdated form of transportation that we all are inconvenienced by at one point or another and we just need to respect them like the lycra clad slow pokes that drift into my lane. (Even though we don't like it)
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