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Old 10-25-2012, 06:37 AM   #61
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You people!

Does anyone compost dog shite? I didn't think so.

Horses are vegetarians. Thier shit decomposes into soil rather rapidly.

Thier digestive systems are not real efficent and much of the content is grass and grain.

I have a fantastic compost pile at the barn that is mainly horse shit, along with some pine shavings and hay.
So you scrape up every dropping your horse leaves and put it in a compost bin?? Even those that are left of public roads and right of ways??? the fact that its compostible (is that a word?) is irrelevant. Its disgusting, a health issue, and most importantly a safety issue....dogs don't tend to shit in the middle of the road....I can't think of an animal that does other than horses or other beasts of burden...
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:47 AM   #62
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So you scrape up every dropping your horse leaves and put it in a compost bin?? Even those that are left of public roads and right of ways??? the fact that its compostible (is that a word?) is irrelevant. Its disgusting, a health issue, and most importantly a safety issue....dogs don't tend to shit in the middle of the road....I can't think of an animal that does other than horses or other beasts of burden...
Elk. And they also pee in the middle of the road, and in the winter it freezes into ice patches that you're not expecting....
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:07 PM   #63
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You people!

Does anyone compost dog shite? I didn't think so.

Horses are vegetarians. Thier shit decomposes into soil rather rapidly.

Their digestive systems are not real efficient and much of the content is grass and grain.

I have a fantastic compost pile at the barn that is mainly horse shit, along with some pine shavings and hay.
Let me see here, because horse shit makes better compost, "decomposes ...rather rapidly," (I'd need to data indicating such to believe decomposes faster than dog shit), and that you love having a pile of horse shit by your barn, the the rest of us should be perfectly happy to have horse shit scattered all over our roads, trails, campsites and parks?


In addition, to being a smelly, gross, mess, it is also full of fecal coliform (90% of dog) and hosts a slew of other diseases. If you type horse feces into google, the 1st suggestion is disease.

Dog owners, cat owner and humans generally are expected to clean up and properly dispose of their shit on our roadways, trails and public lands, why don't you start doing the same? If you are not willing to clean up after them, keep them on your own/private land. Stick to your own property and you can cover yourself in the shit if you want, just show some responsibility for your animal when you are in public places please!
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:32 PM   #64
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If you type horse feces into google, the 1st suggestion is disease.
That's not the result that returned for me. Not even on the 1st page.

Not that it matters here for the haters, but:

"No major human disease outbreak has been accurately attributed to the contact human beings have had with horses. It is rare to find references in peer-reviewed literature on horses infecting people. Infectious equine diseases are usually solely of veterinary importance."

"The 9.2 million horses (USDA 2005, AHC 2005) in the US are a relatively minor livestock group compared to agro-business livestock production levels and stocking densities found on many high production farms. "

"According to the USDA Equine Report (2005), the horse is not instrumental in the chain of events that might precipitate significant human illness morbidity or mortality. Horses are not generally associated with transmitting diseases to man (Kester 1977, Magdesian 2008, Timoney 2002, DebRoy 2007, Mike Westendorf 2008). No major human disease outbreak has ever been accurately attributed to the intimate contact human beings have had with horses for thousands of years (Duell 1989)."

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Now I'm off to see what you d00ds have posted in the "bicycles on the roads" thread...



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Old 10-25-2012, 12:49 PM   #65
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"No major human disease outbreak has been accurately attributed to the contact human beings have had with horses. It is rare to find references in peer-reviewed literature on horses infecting people. Infectious equine diseases are usually solely of veterinary importance."
So what? A major human disease outbreak hasnot been associated with dog shit either, yet the dog owners are polite enough to pick up after their animals when in public.

It's just like a horse owner to evade the true question.
Q: What gives horse riders the right to leave shit strewn about our roads, parks trails and campsites?

A: Because they think horses are special and as such, they are special and not bound to modern rules of common decency.

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Old 10-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #66
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So what? A major human disease outbreak have not been associated with dog shit either, yet their owners are polite enough to pick up after their animals when in public.
Possibly not major in terms of an epidemic but definitely major to the affected - look up Toxocariasis
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:30 PM   #67
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Possibly not major in terms of an epidemic but definitely major to the affected - look up Toxocariasis
Ouch!.... them big words, sister is pretty good with them, that's her job identifying them toxins. Toxoplasmosis and Toxocariasis, last time I got into them big words with her they were together in her brain files.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:02 AM   #68
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Somebody always has to play the Race Card. Horses are fucking livestock, not humans. At least to most people. They also make tasty hamburgers.
Hmmm... Horse steak. Some of the best meat out there.

As for the horse shit, how dare we ride in their toilet! I don't give a shit (pun intended) whether it decomposes relatively fast or not. It still is on the road until it gets cleaned away. Or until it cleans you off the road. That stuff can be slippery.

Yes, shit stinks even from horses. I do get horse back riding (even though my ass hurt like no other time after trying it), but they should really stay to "horsey" places and be as considerate as all other wilderness or road users. Like get off the road when a vehicle approaches. After all, a horse is mobile and easily stopped. A mountain bike has to start again with sometimes considerable effort. A motorbike can't walk sideways. Even though that would be cool sometimes.

A simple solution to the crap problem is used in some places:



While hereabouts you have even worse things to look out for (those buggers also cause even worse erosion than horses btw):

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Old 10-26-2012, 03:31 PM   #69
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This incident just happened yesterday. Me and a buddy are riding up a singletrack trail and come up on a hunters camp right next to the trail. One of the hunters comes down the trail and meets us with waving hands and saying shut it down, shut it down. He said there horses are afraid of motorcycles and will we wait for them to leave before riding by. Said they were "cinching up now". I said OK at first and then he tells me it will be 20 minutes. I said no way and asked him what they were going to do when we catch up to them on the way out. He tells me we will have to wait for them to get out. "Horses have the right of way and we aren't moving" WTF I say! This turned into a rather heated talk between the two of us. His tow buddies were up ahead in the trail holding there rifles. (but they were cinching up) As much as I wanted to roost them and go on by we turned around and went on a different trail. You never know who will actually shoot you these days. I was pissed all night about it !! Still am. Mostly everyone I meet on the trail is totally cool. There is a very small percentage (that I myself run into) that are just douchebags and it doesn't matter if they are on a horse, bike, hiker or what ever.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:17 AM   #70
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...You never know who will actually shoot you these days....

For future reference, I can assure you that any rider who cannot control their horse as a motorcycle comes by will also be completely unable to shoot from or near their horse as well. Roost away
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:41 AM   #71
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Dog owners, cat owner and humans generally are expected to clean up and properly dispose of their shit on our roadways, trails and public lands, why don't you start doing the same? If you are not willing to clean up after them, keep them on your own/private land. Stick to your own property and you can cover yourself in the shit if you want, just show some responsibility for your animal when you are in public places please!
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We have a steep trail thru our property. We allow hikers and mtn bikers to use it, and have worked out an arrangement with a local DS club where they can use it if they treat it gently. But we ban horses because of the damage they do and the feces left behind. One rider tried to push it. The moment I said "Excuse me, this is my property" in a very calm voice (very conscious that if I spooked the horse and he was injured I might be liable), and he immediately dialed 911 to report he was being threatened. WFT? I insisted the police come as I had the entire encounter on video.

People like him result in entire groups being painted with a broad brush.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:18 AM   #72
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We pass Amish buggies all the time when riding in eastern Ohio. They use aged out pacers and quarter horses for their buggies. The horses are pretty controlled and all, but still, we're careful. We always gear up to a fairly high gear so as to have minimal noise going by and will give as wide of berth as possible. I can not remember ever seeing anything negative happen.

We have come up on riders on horses and done a similar thing if they do not appear to have any issue with it. Again, being careful, wide berth, and as quiet as possible. We have coasted by, but not with engine shut off. I'm not sure, but it seems somthing going by like that could even be more disconcerting to the horse and makes it so you couldn't motor away if something went awry.
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:19 AM   #73
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In the UK, the TRF* go to great lengths to befriend and pacify the equestrian community. Even going so far as to provide free marshalling at horseriding events. The rationale being, we want them to think of us as legitimate, responsible trail users and to not join in the walking community in trying to get us slung off byways that they ride. By and large, Horse Riders are usually very grateful when I slow down/stop for them or am clearly making a concerted effort to avoid scaring their horses. One dickhead with a loud pipe going close past them at full chat with a loud pipe can undo all that good work in an instant. I'm acutely aware of this and try and pass them as quietly/considerately as possible.

By and large, I find that horseriders and dirt riders get on pretty well and I've never been involved with, or witnessed an altercation with one on the trails**. It's rare to meet a UK trail rider who has. From what I've read in this thread it seems in the USA it's more of an issue (despite you having all that space and therefore coming into contact with them less often). Perhaps it's the cultural difference: In the states, a horse rider is typically someone who thinks he's John Wayne; perhaps a 4 legged variant of our own 'Pirates' and he thinks riding a horse automatically makes him some sort of badass. In the UK, they're typically upper middle class women/teenage girls and they tend to behave as such.

*a voluntary group that exists largely to try and fight the government taking away what few legal dirt roads and rights of way we have

**the (tarmac'd) roads are another matter entirely!
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:54 AM   #74
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Etiquette is just that, your on a machine they are on an animal you gave the right away. On the other hand I own horses, my wife is an avid rider and I live in an area with many farms and pass horses everyday and my question to all of them is what gives you the right to let your horse shit in the middle of the road creating an unsafe condition for motorcyclist and bicyclist alike.
I came around my favorite curve on my way home and there it was a pile of horse shit in the road, full lean and puckerd ass, a cyclist went down on a hill close to us because of a pile of horse shit. My own wifes horse shit at the bottom of our driveway, destined to be shit on forever I quess..
Living in an area where there are Amish with their buggies, we know there is always that possibility so we're riding with that in mind. When the roads are damp in the mornings and we're passing through the heart of Amish country (on the way to Mid Ohio races and other times) we also realise even what seems to be a "clean" road may be slippery due to the remaining road apples.

I think you will agree when you live in those kinds of areas you have to ride smart. No 100% into corners. We live with the horses because that is simply what the people in the area do. The Amish live with us and we with them. We are courteous and frequently they're waving to us too.

I'm thinking though that some communities are requiring "diapers" or a container area behind the horse to catch their droppings for later disposal. But out in the countryside, it isn't the case, so we're looking in any corner where it might be possible.

Heck, we still dealt with road apples in my home town from the local dairy. They used horse drawn carts for milk delivery up until 1972. It was kind of cool. Of course the horses didn't crap on the sidewalk or in our yards either. If I stepped in a wad of road apples I was being pretty ignorant. But I have to say it pisses me off when some ignorant SOB lets their dog crap in my yard and leave it there. I haven't had a horse owner do that yet.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:24 PM   #75
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In the UK, they're typically upper middle class women/teenage girls and they tend to behave as such.

The demographic here in the States for trail riders is pretty much the same.
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