ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Battle scooters
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #1
GREY.HOUND OP
Gnarly Adventurer
 
GREY.HOUND's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Location: central valley, california
Oddometer: 265
It's getting close to purchase time: final thoughts please

So, this weekend I take the MSF rider course and assume I will pass then get my permit in the next week or so.
I'm throwing all previous ideas out the window about my needs and uses.

My main riding will be weekends and maybe some evenings afterwork; just exploring the neighborhoods and countryside. This could very well be the only scooter I ever buy, since the more I think about it, I don't know if I want to commute and I know my wife won't be taking trips with me; I'll be solo.

Locally, PCX 150, Zuma 125, Super 8 150, and Sportcity 250. I've also mentioned, the Vespa 300's are all pretty sweet and caught my eye probably more than any others. The issue is of course, Vespa's are much more expensive and I'm not 100% I want to spend that much on one.

So, what would you choose? Forget the differences in price. While I'm not rich, none of them are going to break-the-bank so to speak.

My thoughts:

Super 8, great price but not FI and I don't even work on my lawn mower.
Zuma 125, everybody seems to say it's the most fun ever on two wheels.
PCX150, Just about perfect if you ask me. Good design technically , build quality is Honda, and I do find it attractive.
Sportcity 250, sleek, great engine if I am reading correctly, 15" wheels
Vespa 300's, all are probably the nicest scooters I've seen, plus 300cc engines. Oh, and "It's a Vespa"
GREY.HOUND is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:24 PM   #2
Brooktown Geezer
scooter guy
 
Brooktown Geezer's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Location: Fallbrook, CA
Oddometer: 481
A piaggio BV 350 or a Vespa. If you're only going to get one scoot, make it one you'll like for a long time. You could explore the local areas with either one of them, but also if you got the urge to ride up through Yosemite or further, you could do that on either bike as well. What I mean is...either is more than capable of longer distance riding and local short runs with ease. Plus, if the Vespa styling has caught your eye, you'll never find yourself in the future saying "I wish I had bought the Vespa." Just my two cents, and I'm sure you'll get plenty of other points of view.
Brooktown Geezer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:40 PM   #3
vortexau
Outside the Pod-bay
 
vortexau's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Just off the Warrego, S.E. Queensland
Oddometer: 1,627
With your short range ride expectations if may turn out that a bicycle could suit. Much less expense and you gain good exercise.
__________________
'77 BMW R100RS with Ural chair
'08 Suzuki AN650A Burgman (and trailer)
vortexau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 05:57 PM   #4
klaviator
Beastly Adventurer
 
klaviator's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2008
Location: Huntsville, AL
Oddometer: 5,338
Since you don't even work on your lawn mower, the Sport City 250 has the longest interval between required service........by far. It is also capable of being comfortably ridden cross country if you change your mind and decide to do that, Yes it does have 15" wheels.

the Kymco Super 8 is easy to work on but requires service more often. The lack of FI is not an issue however. My carbs have performed flawlessly.

You may want to check out this ride report, it has both scooters in it. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647784
__________________
I ride, Therefore I Am.



klaviator is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 10:24 PM   #5
fullmetalscooter
Let me take this duck off
 
fullmetalscooter's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Location: BC
Oddometer: 2,399
PCX 150 has good reviews , goes hwy speeds and get great mileage. That's what I would go for
__________________
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body,but rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting WHAT A RUSH, WHAT A RIDE.
"Life is a tragedy when seen in close-up, but a comedy in long-shot." Charlie Chaplin
fullmetalscooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2012, 10:52 PM   #6
JerryH
Vintage Rider
 
JerryH's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
Oddometer: 4,383
They are all good scooters, but they will all cost an absolute fortune if you can't at least do the maintenance yourself. A $50 oil change is common. From there the skys the limit. A scooter can cost more than a car if you can't maintain it. I have a Zuma 125, and am completely satisfied with it. I have just over 1000 miles on it, and have changed the oil 4 times (during break in) it cost me less than $12. I will now change the oil every 1000 miles. Cost, about $2. Dealers charge an average of $100 an hour, with a half hour minimum. That means they can charge $60 to replace a light bulb, $50 minimum labor, plus the marked up bulb, plus tax. Routine maintenance can cost you hundreds of dollars a year, plus parts, like tires, belts, filters, etc. which the dealers will mark up if they install them. After about 3 years, dealer service will have cost you as much as the scooter. If I couldn't do all my own work, I wouldn't even consider a scooter or motorcycle. MUCH cheaper to buy a car, even if you have to have that serviced. Even the gas mileage is not that great. My Zuma gets about 60 mpg, ridden at full throttle with my 220 pounds on it. I have a car that gets 30.


Aside from the above, if you are going to get a scooter, the ones you listed are all good choices, get what you will be happy with if you can afford it. Vespas cost the most, but also have the highest resale value, plus as you said, the Vespa name. That can be important is it is mostly a hobby. My "hobby" scooter is a Genuine Stella 2 stroke with manual transmission. But those are not for beginners or someone who is not a decent amateur mechanic.
__________________
2002 Vulcan 750 (being repaired, engine has to come out) 2013 Royal Enfield B5
2001 XT225, 2009 Genuine Stella
2012 Zuma 125, 1980 Puch moped
JerryH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2012, 01:38 AM   #7
alicethomas
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: Palatinate, Germany
Oddometer: 385
If I wouldn't be sure to like scooting, I'd buy a reliable cheap one.
One of the first three, where a dealer is close to me.
alicethomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2012, 01:49 AM   #8
damurph
Cold Adventurer
 
damurph's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2012
Location: The far east of the far east of North America
Oddometer: 1,260
If you have never ridden i would advise a used purchase. That way when you drop it the value does not go down as much as a new one. Everyone drops them and it is hard to watch your shiney new machine all rashed up. Buy a reliable old machine and use it for a season. If you really like riding then learn on that. Make your mistakes on it and then resell (without the depreciation costs) and get what you want with alot more real world knowledge to discern what you need/want.
And good luck with the course.
__________________
R1150 GSA, KLR650, K75s(x3), RD350, PS250 (Big Ruckus), R65, 990 Spyder
If I still had every dollar I spent on motorbikes I would be a richer man but a poorer person.
damurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2012, 07:11 AM   #9
Speedo66
Transient
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Location: Cin City, OH
Oddometer: 6,119
Quote:
Originally Posted by damurph View Post
If you have never ridden i would advise a used purchase. That way when you drop it the value does not go down as much as a new one. Everyone drops them and it is hard to watch your shiney new machine all rashed up. Buy a reliable old machine and use it for a season. If you really like riding then learn on that. Make your mistakes on it and then resell (without the depreciation costs) and get what you want with alot more real world knowledge to discern what you need/want.
And good luck with the course.
+1, excellent advice. As far as I'm concerned, every new rider should start with a good used machine.
__________________
Oh I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused-E.Costello
'01 Kawasaki W650, '05 Yamaha XT225



Speedo66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2012, 03:03 PM   #10
cdwise
Studly Adventurer
 
cdwise's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Location: Houston, TX/Breckenridge, CO
Oddometer: 766
I'd go for a used Vespa. There is very little difference between the 250 and 300 models, only 34cc or something like that. The 300 has better pick up but top end is the same (some say better on the 250) something like this GTV http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mcy/3338813204.html though at least in my area it would be overpriced for a 2007 with that number of miles. It isn't a huge number of miles as Vespas go provided its been properly maintained, ask for records. If shop serviced check with the shop.
cdwise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2012, 05:27 PM   #11
JerryH
Vintage Rider
 
JerryH's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
Oddometer: 4,383
Well, I have to agree on starting with a used scooter. And if you are not mechanically inclined or experienced, I would start learning how to work on things with that used scooter. At least get the basic maintenance down. Owning and riding any kind of bike can become VERY expensive if you cannot do your own maintenance. Most people, including myself, who are attracted to bikes are attracted to them because they are a lot more like machines than newer cars, and tend to like tinkering and working on mechanical things. To me anyway, working on them is just about as much fun as riding them. Plus I know if I do the maintenance/repairs, it will be done right. I never did trust dealers, and have only known a couple of independent shops in my whole life that I would trust.

I would recommend something like a Vino 125, in good condition. These scooters are drop dead reliable, and about the easiest thing to work on that I know about. Even doing the valves is a 15 minute job. Changing the oil takes 5 minutes. Yes it will take considerably longer if you have never done it before, but that is the case with everything. The learning process can be fun, especially if you are not risking an $8000 machine. If you don't have tools, get what you need, and get good ones. Get a manual. Get started right. Ask questions. It's a lot easier than it may seem at first.

If you are looking for image, Vespa is definitely where it's at, but I would start lower. I have never owned a Vespa, but I do plan to someday, when my finances allow it.
__________________
2002 Vulcan 750 (being repaired, engine has to come out) 2013 Royal Enfield B5
2001 XT225, 2009 Genuine Stella
2012 Zuma 125, 1980 Puch moped
JerryH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 10:56 AM   #12
Dbains8
n00b
 
Dbains8's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2012
Location: Central Coast CA
Oddometer: 1
Have you had the opportunity to ride any of these? That could be the deciding factor for you. I just got my first scooter four months ago. I wanted a 250+ because where I live, if I can't get on the freeway (65 mph limit), I'm trapped touring my neighborhood. I ended up getting a good deal on a used Kymco People 250. I've been commuting to work on it & it cruises at 68 or so no problem. There is a PCX150 in lot at work all the time. I will say this - it looks tiny. I'm 6' tall and while I've never sat on one, it looks like I would be cramped. Could just be an optical illusion.

My advice (granted, this is from a newbie as well) is to buy used, like others have said. You won't worry about damaging it, and you won't be spending as much $$ up front. Also, I would get something that you can at least take on the freeway a bit. I think you'll get bored just puttering around and having the ability to go out and explore a little is a big advantage.

As for working on your scooter, I think you'll find it's not that hard, and thanks to the internet, you can find lots of how-to guides and videos. I haven't worked on any of my cars for, oh, 30 years? But since I've had my scooter, I've changed the engine & gear oil, air filter, adjusted the valves, put in a new spark plug, and - changed the CVT belt and variator weights. It's actually kind of fun and you will save a ton of $$. Plus, you'll have a better sense of the condition your scooter is in and knowing that it's road worthy is a good feeling.

Don't rush into buying one. Test ride some, and take your time with the purchase. Like you said, if it's going to be your only scooter purchase, make sure you get the right one for you.
Dbains8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 11:28 AM   #13
KennyT
Adventurer
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Location: Naperville
Oddometer: 75
Hi Greyhound. I am excited for you!
You might be surprised how much you love your new scooter, and end up wanting more than one... :)
I have a Kycmo Agiltiy 125 that I purchased w/ 1500 miles for $1100. That being said, more power is always nice.
I think the PCX 150 is very hot! If I had the money, I would buy the biggest one you could afford...
A 300 would be nice. Not to big, but able to hit the highway if you wanted/needed...
Good luck again, and have fun!
Ken
__________________
2009 Kymco Agility 125
Have fun and enjoy the ride!
KennyT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 04:50 PM   #14
GREY.HOUND OP
Gnarly Adventurer
 
GREY.HOUND's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Location: central valley, california
Oddometer: 265
Thanks again for the advice. Glad I've spent lots of time on the forums because the written portion of the MSF course covered lots of things discussed on here and stuff from Proficient Motorcycling. I got 100% so in theory, I'm a perfict rider.

As a teacher, I get lots of "theory" pushed down my throat, so my excitement is tongue-in-cheek. Driving portion this weekend.

I'll see what they offer as far as test rides. I do keep thinking that the extra power would be nice since there are lots of mountains nearby. I'll keep you posted...
GREY.HOUND is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2012, 05:21 PM   #15
JerryH
Vintage Rider
 
JerryH's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
Oddometer: 4,383
If you plan on climbing mountains, and want a CVT scooter, the absolute smallest I would go is a 250, larger if possible. In fact I would seriously consider a Piaggio BV500 or a Kymco Exciting 500. Unlike the Silverwing, Majesty, and Burgmans, these are not huge heavy scooters, but they have enough power to climb mountains and cruise all day on the freeway. And if you can afford a new Vespa bigger than 50cc, then both these should be in your price range. Both are very high quality and reliable.

The first 3 scooters on your list will not climb mountains. I have both a Zuma 125 and a Vino 125, and they won't climb mountains. Their gearing is WAY to high. They lug the engines badly, and will come to a complete stop and stall eventually. The Vespa 300 should be ok, but it to will slow way down. Not sure about the SportCity.

Small engines have no torque, and make all their power with RPM. But the CVT scooters do not have the gearing to use the power they make under a heavy load, like climbing. I live at the base of a 10,000 foot mountain (goes from 1200 feet to 10,000 feet in 160 miles) and the only scooter I have that will climb that mountain is the Stella 150, because of it's manual transmission, which allows you to keep the engines RPMs up.

If you are taking the MSF class, they will almost certainly use motorcycles instead of scooters, with manual transmissions. The tiniest of motorcycles, even 50cc, will climb almost anything in first gear. It will be slow, but it will keep climbing, and won't destroy the engine in the process. I have easily climbed that mountain on a Kawasaki KE100 2 stroke, and a Kawasaki Eliminator 125 4 stroke. Manual transmissions make all the difference.
__________________
2002 Vulcan 750 (being repaired, engine has to come out) 2013 Royal Enfield B5
2001 XT225, 2009 Genuine Stella
2012 Zuma 125, 1980 Puch moped
JerryH is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 07:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014