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Old 03-25-2008, 06:55 PM   #1
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X-Challenge/X-Moto no USA imports in 2008

I just picked up Cycle World 2008 Buyers Guide tonight.
They state that BMW will not bring back to US shores the XChallenge
and the XMoto for 2008.
The Xcountry is the only G650 imported to the USA in 2008.
( it's price drops by $1125 )

How common is it to drop a model after only one year being imported ?

I suppose some wheel'in and deal'in can be done on 2007 leftovers ???

Does BMW still have to make parts readily available for 10 yrs ?
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:03 PM   #2
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This is what I was told last Fall by two dealers. They won't say that the models are discontinued, just that due to existing stock, no new units will be imported.

And Xcountry engines will apparently be manufactured in China. So unless BMW is going to manufacture the identical Xchallenge and Xmoto engines somewhere else, that leads me to believe that the models are in fact discontinued.

But so long as this doesn't stop Touratech from producing aftermarket parts, and it hasn't yet, I'm not concerned.
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Old 03-25-2008, 07:13 PM   #3
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Gengras in CT isn't discounting shit, I think they believe that people actually want these. The most recent Motorcyclist absolutely ripped apart the X-moto, they called it a "complete and utter waste of time" and then something about a pit of them festering in a Bavarian forest . The X-challenge is kinda cool, but way overpriced and overweight for what it is. The motor parts should be available for a long time, but model specific stuff - who knows? I'd try to score a deal on a X-country in line with the expected price drop-
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:17 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by uconnapharm
I just picked up Cycle World 2008 Buyers Guide tonight.
They state that BMW will not bring back to US shores the XChallenge
and the XMoto for 2008.
The Xcountry is the only G650 imported to the USA in 2008.
( it's price drops by $1125 )

How common is it to drop a model after only one year being imported ?

I suppose some wheel'in and deal'in can be done on 2007 leftovers ???

Does BMW still have to make parts readily available for 10 yrs ?
BMW makes their bikes in batches. They don't do constant model production. Historically the old F bikes were shipped in small batches based on annual demand predictions. BMW did the same with the new bikes and I beleive the new G bikes were overproduced, so they are probably happy to sit back and sell what has already been shipped.

BMW is also struggling to get the NEW F bikes (650 and 800 twins) into production with all new motors.

BMW has a new alliance with a Tiawanese engine factory for the new engines on both the F and G bikes - including the new G-450's. The 650 single in the G - X series are basically the same.

Now with the aquisition of Husky, it is also possible that they have no need to make the X-Challenge anymore and who knows, maybe they won't even bother with the 450 either - BMW isn't exactly a place where most folks would think of going to get a "dirt" orientated bike, and the dealers aren't really in a position to deal with that type of clientele, but Husky is.

I'd say BMW is reinventing itself to be the new - old BMW...
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Old 03-26-2008, 02:51 AM   #5
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Who would buy an X-Moto when you have much better options like the Husky SM610, the KTM 690SM, KTM 690 Duke, or the KTM 690 SMC.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:13 AM   #6
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Define "better" please.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:44 AM   #7
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Define "better" please.
At the very least...

1. Better engine
2. Better suspension (that air shock has gotten very poor reviews, you must admit)
3. Better value (DRZ)

I'm basically kidding because we know it's all subjective , but if BMW didn't come close to meeting their sales goals for the X Series (which has to be the case if they're not importing any for 08) then it has to be either that they misjudged the market, or the competition has more appealing product.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:08 AM   #8
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The X-moto has no air shock but an Ohlins as far as I can recall.

The little Beemer has a very sweet engine, and a perfect injection mapping. It runs strong all the way from slightly above idle to it's redline. "they say" (for I haven't ridden the 690 yet) the bottom and midrange of the BMW G650 is sweeter than that of the 690, which seems to be a little jerky below 3500rpm. The 690 does have a very strong top end though, I wish the G650 would have that as well.

I can only judge the value of a bike after I have owned one for a few years, and I want to sell it again.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:38 AM   #9
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I for one always believe what I read....

My brother and his friend were telling me that the new KTM 690 was 'heaps' lighter than my bike.

Dry weights:

KTM 690 = 138.5 kg

G650x = 144 kg

A difference of 5.5 kg that decreases if you use fuel in your bike.

Fueled weight (0.75g/L):

KTM 690 (12L) = 147.5

G650x (9.5L) = 151.1

Difference = 3.6 kg

Yeah the KTM is 'heaps' lighter

The BMW has the same wheel base and fork attack angle, uses an underseat molded tank and a straight back exhaust and people seem to recognise this as new and exciting. Well it was 12 months ago.

The KTM seems to make more power (website figure) but I would be interested to see whether they can match the 10,000km service intervals of the g650x. (increases to 20,000km intervals after first 10,000km). And because I know them to be a good manufacturer I hope they will.

People could spend more time riding and showing a little more respect for bikes that other people have paid money for, instead of running their mouths off. That said, the more people bag the bike I own, the more I seem to like it.

This is usually where I cathardically delete the entire text I just typed to let people wallow in their idioacy.
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:26 AM   #10
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I for one always believe what I read....

My brother and his friend were telling me that the new KTM 690 was 'heaps' lighter than my bike.

Dry weights:

KTM 690 = 138.5 kg

G650x = 144 kg

A difference of 5.5 kg that decreases if you use fuel in your bike.

Fueled weight (0.75g/L):

KTM 690 (12L) = 147.5

G650x (9.5L) = 151.1

Difference = 3.6 kg

Yeah the KTM is 'heaps' lighter

The BMW has the same wheel base and fork attack angle, uses an underseat molded tank and a straight back exhaust and people seem to recognise this as new and exciting. Well it was 12 months ago.

The KTM seems to make more power (website figure) but I would be interested to see whether they can match the 10,000km service intervals of the g650x. (increases to 20,000km intervals after first 10,000km). And because I know them to be a good manufacturer I hope they will.

People could spend more time riding and showing a little more respect for bikes that other people have paid money for, instead of running their mouths off. That said, the more people bag the bike I own, the more I seem to like it.

This is usually where I cathardically delete the entire text I just typed to let people wallow in their idioacy.
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:56 AM   #11
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Its a shame if you ask me..i thought it was a cool bike..seems silly to put that much time and money into engineering a bike and then only give it one year to see how it sells..Its normal for bikes to take a year or 2 to catch on in sales i would think since alot of people always want to "wait a year" for them to get the "kinks" out..
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:21 AM   #12
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Define "better" please.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:54 AM   #13
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Yeah, but only 2+ gallons to gas?????

Kinda limiting, but otherwise a cool bike.
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Old 03-26-2008, 11:23 AM   #14
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So, if a guy could pick up an x-moto pretty cheap and put some x-challenge wheels on it---would it be an x-challenge? They look pretty much the same on paper.
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Old 03-26-2008, 12:07 PM   #15
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So, if a guy could pick up an x-moto pretty cheap and put some x-challenge wheels on it---would it be an x-challenge? They look pretty much the same on paper.
Different suspension and brakes. I don't think the wheels can be swapped between the two.
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