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Old 12-02-2012, 06:59 AM   #76
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It's interesting to dismount the 650R and hop on a Duke 690 (the 654cc
non R version, couple years ago) and be absolutely SHOCKED at just how
much everything feels better, other then comfort.

Unfortunately most bikes I hopped on from my 650R made my 650R feel
like a cheap bike that shouldn't be as powerful as it is, or as expensive as
it is.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:02 PM   #77
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Ooh I'm about 6ft3 so that leaves me a little worried. I'll have to check it out when it gets here... Might be roomier than a vtr250? Did your legs feel cramped? Maybe Hondas new 500s will be around in Aus around the same time to do a comparison.
Stopped at local Honda dealer and asked about the new CB500. They expect them in showrooms sometimes in March. Price hasn't been set as yet but it will be in $9000 region. Which is not surprising when they sell CB400 in line four for 10,000 and the guy said he will not drop a cent from 10k. .

For less than 8K I can get naked 2010 Suzuki SV650, drop gixxer front fork in and still have some spare change, and my search for a commuter/tourer will be over.

I'll wait for 390 Duke and try at least to sit on it to feel the ergos. Although at 5'11" I'm not sure when reading about 5'10" inmate feeling cramped on the bike.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:19 PM   #78
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I'm glad to hear that you're keeping an open mind. I'm 5'11 and 180 lbs. I liked the feel of the 2009 Ninja 250 for overall size and fit, except that the tank flairs hit my knees (31" inseam). Lots of 6'2" guys with 33" inseams loved it, so the tank apparently didn't bother them. Everyone is different.

I'm hoping that I like the "snug" ergos on the Duke 390, since I like the Ninjette and the short-wheel based 1991 CB-1 (CB400F / NC-27).

I'm jealous that you get the current CB400/4 in OZ. I'd love that bike here in the States, even if it cost 85% of a CBR600RR. Unfortunately, I'm a minority of one. Everyone else would buy the 600.
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:23 PM   #79
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A minority of 2 buddy, and there are others.

Navin screwed with this post 12-02-2012 at 06:31 PM
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:34 PM   #80
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Thanks, but you're out of the market for awhile with your 300, and noone else will admit to NOT being a testosterone-charged knuckle dragger with more money than sense!
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:38 AM   #81
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Ok, I get the KTM quality- that's why I'm looking at the 390 Duke.

But 690 SMC-R? or even 690 Duke if they brought it to the USA? Now you're talking $11,000 or the price of a Street Triple-R. I get that, too - power and quality, but it's NOT the same discussion.

The new Honda 500's and the revised 2012 EX-650R fall in the middle for price, and to the bottom for mid-to-low spec components - just like Navin's description of the new EX-300R.

It still leaves the Duke 390 potentially alone in the middle for power and hopefully, for quality of components, at a middle-ground price.
And I'm not trying to talk anyone out of the 390 or trying to compare the 390 to the 690. Just passing on my thoughts and experience. You are free to take it or leave it. After many, many bikes and miles, I have my particular take on things. "Categorizing" has its limitations. Pressing on.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:11 PM   #82
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Even more to look forward to:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...alks-new-390s/
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:02 PM   #83
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Oh man! A trio of 44 HP KTM sporty singles with an Adv version and a faired sport replica?

Now I gotta put a year or two on this Ninja 300 and wait out the usual first and second year teething issues assuming they are NA bound.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:48 PM   #84
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If KTM offers this Trio in the US, I'll have to have one of each! Seriously, I will buy at least one. When someone finally offers you one of your dream bikes, you don't stay on the sidelines.

That said, I hope that KTM / Bajaj have the resources, and the that the economy improves enough, so that the bikes really come to the US.

I hadn't heard about an Adventure option in the 390 class. Finally! Many of us have wanted a 350-450cc version of something (WRR, DR-Z, KLX, even a Versys or KLE) for years. You may have finally hooked me with a 390 ADV!

As a side note, I'm confused on the Moto-3 "replica" offering. I also have a passion for small sport bikes that I can actually use on the street (hence my interest in the EX300R and CB-1/NC-27). I've read about the Moto-3 bike before, but it was never clear that it was a "replica".

Then I have to ask, a "replica" of what"? The 125cc 2T GP bike class rules have now changed to 250cc 4T, but neither KTM or Yamaha (both rumored) have actually committed to the actual series. Since there are no bikes, how can there be copies? And if copies, why not high spec 250cc engines, rather than 373cc street engines? Now, I'm not complaining, I'm just curious - I'd like the 373cc option for the street "replica", but I'm usually in the small minority.

Finally, I want to really use the bike on the street, not just at the track. Since I like fairings, I'd definitely take one over a 390 Duke - as long as the upper fairing allows me to raise the bars 2-3" vertically for street riding. Ducati, Triumph, Honda, etc. don't allow this amount of movement, and it severely limits their sales. Lots of folks like the bikes but not the ergonomics, and want to add LSL Superbike bars, etc. When they can't they quickly sell the bikes and take a big hit on depreciation.

And let's face it, these are STREET bikes. The Ducati 848, 1098, 1198 are hopeless in this regard. When they raised the fairing clearance on the 749/999 from MY 2005 to 2006, sale went up, but then the new models came out with super-low fairing clearance for the bars again. I would have purchased a Daytona 675 years ago if the fairing had more clearance. It costs nothing for the manufacturer to incorporate on a street bike. It doesn't have to have race clip-ons to sell.

Surprise, surprise, only the KTM RC8/8R have the ergos right (adjustable!). So, KTM, do it right again, and I'm all in, maybe for all three!
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:53 PM   #85
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Knowing KTM, the 350 will be able to be produced as a 250 too, maybe this is the basis for their 250 race bike? Trellis frame and everything ready to go, just put it in a hot, tight dress.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:56 PM   #86
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I think that the Duke frame is too tall, and not strong enough for GP power. However, they could take all of the R&D time and money that they spent on the RC-4 several years ago (my real KTM dream bike - that never made it to production) and apply it to Moto-3.

Edit: Ignore the above. I forgot - "Replica" - it doesn't need to handle GP power, just look the part. I'm still all-in!
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:05 PM   #87
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What were the HP numbers they were shooting out when the class was proposed? I recall them being pretty high for a 250f, wasn't it like 55-60 HP???
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:44 PM   #88
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Yup. At the rear wheel. At some pretty high rpm, if I recall.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:16 AM   #89
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The latest news about the Faired/ADV variants for the 390 is exciting new, but the wait for my next bike is agonizing.

The ADV trim 390 would be perfect for my needs, but I have a feeling it would more 'Adventure Styled' than a hardcore ADV bike. Much like Honda's 500X.

I'd love to pick up whichever of the 390ADV or 500X comes sooner to our shores. But heart is leaning towards the KTM, since most the current crop of sub-600 cc Honda's I've ridden lack character, they are too perfect! LoL!!
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:39 AM   #90
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The latest news about the Faired/ADV variants for the 390 is exciting new, but the wait for my next bike is agonizing.

The ADV trim 390 would be perfect for my needs, but I have a feeling it would more 'Adventure Styled' than a hardcore ADV bike. Much like Honda's 500X.
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Something like the old 640 ADV (re: looks) would be fun.

I know most of you will want 18/21 wheels.. but I'd like 17/17 (SMT
style bike) or 17/19..
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