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Old 11-12-2012, 02:16 PM   #196
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You are way too easily impressed.

As to the wing. It looks like a concession to the folks who really want a Tour Glide or that Victory monstrosity. Actually, a certain un-named former SPEED TV announcer had a Wing with a chopped shield and some other mods that he called 'Frankenwing." Difference was, he actually put a good suspension under it and it handled well enough to make it fun. Don't think that big pig has that capability.

The CBR500 looks like a nice step up for the owners of the CBR250 and Ninja 250. I didn't notice the price, but if it's reasonable, it'll sell.

But overall, yawn.
Plenty of people are pretty pleased with the handling of the current GW, and stripping 75 lbs or so can only make it better.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:21 PM   #197
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Plenty of people are pretty pleased with the handling of the current GW, and stripping 75 lbs or so can only make it better.
That's what I think too.

And just because the bodywork looks beefy doesn't mean it's cast from pewter.
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:31 PM   #198
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More chick bikes? I don't get Honda, none of their smaller street bikes - NT650, GB500, Nighthawk, have sold well, so hey let's bring over even more? What's with the 500's - like the NC700 wasn't small enough? (I had a 650 Hawk when new, butn all my friends had FZR600's - was no fun being outrun every time we got on the freeway, it was at that time that I promised myself, 100hp minimum)

Then swinging the pendulum to the other end, who asked for the VFR1200? Would have been nice to see the 800 ADV bike over here to compete with V-Stroms, Tiger's and GS's. Between getting rid of the XR line, and killing the two-stroke CR's, for the last 35 years, there has been a Honda in my garage, but once these are put out to pasture, "Ride Red" won't apply to me......
So what exactly is NOT a chick bike?
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:47 PM   #199
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Some of us chicks like smaller street bikes. Ok, I am not a chick but I do enjoy smaller bikes to bigger ones.
Agreed. Not everybody wants/needs 100hp. I rarely ride the freeway (boring) so trying to keep up with somebody on a faster bike is not an issue for me, and a lot of times a smaller bike is just more fun. Its no different than 4 wheeled world... I own a Miata, a Subaru WRX, and a Mitsubishi Evo... the latter two are fast as hell, but which one is the most fun blasting around on the back roads? The little 170 hp Miata. Horsepower aint everything, atleast for me. I prefer light and nimble.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:21 PM   #200
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:38 PM   #201
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:01 PM   #202
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So what exactly is NOT a chick bike?
Slab side gixxer....

When traffic is going 75, it's nice to have a bike that'll get out of it's own way. In 1988 when i had my Hawk, a Mustang GT made 225 HP, there are Hyundai's that make that much now......thing about horsepower, if you don't need it, you don't have to use it, but when you do need it and it's not there, you're kind of shit out of luck. Gas mileage is great and all, but if it comes down to an extra 25HP, add a gallon or two to the tank to make up that range.

I'm not sure that it's insurance rates driving the young'uns away from the 600's as much as it is financing, or lack of it. Seems like I've seen more squids on R1's than R6's. Honda seems to have given up the middle ground, whole bunch of entry level bikes (step up TOO the CB500) and a bunch of of cruisers. What good is an open class superbike that is the size of a 600? What good is the 600?
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:02 PM   #203
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More chick bikes? I don't get Honda, none of their smaller street bikes - NT650, GB500, Nighthawk, have sold well, so hey let's bring over even more?......

the NT650 is cool, but it died as American tastes swung to fully faired sportbikes- no surprise there.

the GB500 is the coolest Honda ever, but it defines 'niche bike', and is uncomfortable for most riders. It's not surprising it didn't sell, it's surprising they ever imported it to the US in the first place!

the Nighthawk sold well for years, but was neither fish nor fowl by the end of it's run. too 'UJM' for shoppers demanding identity, it didn't appeal to either the cruiser crowd or to modern semi-standard buyers.

regardless, they've been gone since 1991, 1990, and 2003- fashions come and fashions go, i don't think a comparison to today's motorcycle market and economy is really that valid...
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:15 PM   #204
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The recent ER6-n was a practicle and cheap bike and a total flop in the USA. Maybe these will have better luck but I doubt it. The penny pinchers that would be attracted to these, and the Kawi I mentioned, all shop for used bike bargains already.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #205
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I find myself without an excuse...

And so, Honda, you have brought me my CB1100, in red as it must be, and not unreasonably priced. I have no excuses for not purchasing. Let's get the deal done.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:39 PM   #206
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And so, Honda, you have brought me my CB1100, in red as it must be, and not unreasonably priced. I have no excuses for not purchasing. Let's get the deal done.
Did I miss the price?
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:26 PM   #207
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:03 PM   #208
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The recent ER6-n was a practicle and cheap bike and a total flop in the USA. Maybe these will have better luck but I doubt it. The penny pinchers that would be attracted to these, and the Kawi I mentioned, all shop for used bike bargains already.
It was also extremely ugly. Like just god awful, even to those who like naked bikes. This CB500f looks a lot nicer.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:05 PM   #209
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the NT650 is cool, but it died as American tastes swung to fully faired sportbikes- no surprise there.

the GB500 is the coolest Honda ever, but it defines 'niche bike', and is uncomfortable for most riders. It's not surprising it didn't sell, it's surprising they ever imported it to the US in the first place!

the Nighthawk sold well for years, but was neither fish nor fowl by the end of it's run. too 'UJM' for shoppers demanding identity, it didn't appeal to either the cruiser crowd or to modern semi-standard buyers.

regardless, they've been gone since 1991, 1990, and 2003- fashions come and fashions go, i don't think a comparison to today's motorcycle market and economy is really that valid...
Well, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Personally, I think the RC30 is the coolest Honda ever, but to each their own. I haven't seen American tastes swinging away from fully-faired sportbikes, so I still don't know what market these tiddlers are intended for....

I had a CB400, which to my eye, they've tried (and failed) to model this retro CB1100 on. I did like the endurance racer version that was floating around, but either of these a niche bike, and I don't see either selling well (see Kwak W650 and ZRX1200).
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:34 PM   #210
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i think Honda is smart to go for the "frugal" market.

1 - the pprice of gas is just going to keep rising. I expect $5 / gallon by next summer, $6 / gallon within 3 yrs.

2 - cars are making great economy gains, the old "i need a bike to save gas" argument is becoming less relevant. my big cruiser gets 38mpg and wants 93 octane.

3 - insurance, tires, maintenance, parts - all cost less for a 500cc twin than a 100hp 4cyl.

4 - much of the population (like me) is aging, and doesn't give a hooey about outrunning anyone. give me something easy to handle and fun to ride.
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