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Old 01-19-2013, 10:22 PM   #76
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Biggest gain I found was sewing a pocket onto the lower 2/3 of the bottom of the bag. The sleeping mat slips in there - and the inflatable pillow straps to the top of the sleeping mat.

A lot warmer and less disturbed sleep without the mat skating around - and without a big air-gap between the bag and the mat. And a much better nights sleep from a pillow that doesn't run away.

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Old 01-19-2013, 11:06 PM   #77
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I have been using the Go Kot w/o mattress for the last few years Could possibly use mattress if it packs small. The Exped SynMat 7 Air Pad with Pump looks pretty nice http://
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:17 PM   #78
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Originally Posted by vfr View Post
i believe the r-value is the same for both. The 9 is both wider & longer so you're not as likely to roll off it if you thrash around a bit at night like i do. I use the 7 because it packs smaller. I found after changing from the big agnes--which slipped & slid all over--that i didn't roll off of the exped.

If you are a bigger guy, you might want to go for the 9 just to make sure you are fully on the mattress. Pack size isn't that much different but i have a space problem (sportbike) so i go with the 7.
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:04 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by Gezerbike View Post
One thing to keep in mind is if you are a side sleeper, as I am, you'll want that extra 1" of thickness. My first mattress was a Thermorest, and I ditched it after my first week of camping off the bike. My goal now is to find a smaller pack size pillow...I have a very nice memory foam pillow I have been taking with me, but I would like something that packs a wee bit smaller. I was at REI looking today, but with no luck. The search continues..........
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Pillow!!! Did someone say pillow??? I have about sixteen of 'em--feather, foam, inflatable foam, combinations of the above--Finally found the solution. Exped!!! They make an inflatable pillow that folds as small as a Red Bull can--no kidding. Expensive? Yes, ~$35 but it inflates in about 3 or 4 puffs & is seriously comfortable. Sleeps warm too. After you buy as many as I have, trying to get a good one, $35 is nothing.... I usually fold my riding pants & put the pillow on them to make it thicker. Forgot that.

As to the thick mattress, I'm a side sleeper & have no trouble with either one. When inflated & you sit on it, it goes flat, but sleeping spreads your weight out so you don't even feel the rocks under your tent.

There are two other guys on this thread that might have as much gear as me. You know who you are....
Big side sleeper here... Still rocking the Downmat 9 DLX and added the large Exped inflatable pillow. So comfortable I sometimes use it at home.

Last year my wife sewed up a Ray Way quilt with a draft stopper... that thing is amazing.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:04 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by nimrod View Post

My Bad You are correct. I didn't look it up. Now that I did, I see that the 9 is also thicker. Probably where the added R-value comes into play. Somehow, I was thinking that the downmat was the thicker one. It seems they are both the same in that respect. 7 is 2.8" thick & the 9 is 3.5" thick.

Good call--that keeps everybody honest....

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Old 01-20-2013, 02:18 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by nimrod View Post
Downmat\Synmat 7 is 7cm thick, which is 2.8 inches
Downmat\synmat 9 is 9cm thick, which is 3.5 inches

The DLX versions are 6" wider and a few inches longer.

As for pillows I'm still on the hunt for something a bit smaller packing. I went through a town, down is crap, if it compresses to the size of a shot glass then it will also do so with your head on it.

I have I believe a Kelty luxury something and I picked up another from walmart which was the travellers pillow, it's a regular pillow thats been chopped in half. No, it doesn't pack that small, I put it in an old MC cover bag, which is something like 6x10x2. the pillow is simply folded in two and shoved in there, the Kelty fits into another one, same size, compresses better.

Key is to not store them that way. Just like your sleeping bag or pad.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:30 PM   #82
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:26 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by eap View Post
I have been using the Go Kot w/o mattress for the last few years Could possibly use mattress if it packs small. The Exped SynMat 7 Air Pad with Pump looks pretty nice http://
I have them both, since I planned to put the mattress on the Kot. Forget it. The Synmat 9 don't need no Kot, and I'm a side-sleeper. Didn't really like the Synmat at first but then I broke down and got the Exped Air Pillow. I have lots and lots of camping pillows, but this one is perfect. The mat and pillow are a perfect combination for me, and the packed size and weight are fantastic.

Also, this is what I sleep on every weekend in the man-cave while the family makes noise.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:18 PM   #84
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Just had to throw this in.

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Upgrading to a military down sleeping bag that takes up less space. It was my Dads.

I bring 2 pillow cases one for clean clothes one for dirty. I use which ever is more comfortable at the time.

If I put anything on the rear seat or I can't get on the bike. I have a top case but don't like it.

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