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Old Yesterday, 04:38 AM   #1
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Lighter bikes

I ride with a group of older guys. Most are retired, including myself, or thinking about it. We can all afford to get whatever bike we want.

Lately, there conversations have been about bikes that aren't so damned heavy. The guys with the full-dress Harleys and the Goldwings just don't like the effort of pushing them around in the parking lot or garage.

I have a BMW k1600 which I love, but I find myself looking longingly at bikes that weigh 200 pounds less, like an RT or the new Ducati Multistrada.

Any thoughts?

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Old Yesterday, 04:42 AM   #2
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Goldwings will push themselves in either direction. Problem solved.
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Old Yesterday, 04:46 AM   #3
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I'd look at one 400 lbs less.
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Old Yesterday, 05:10 AM   #4
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For what I do, I like my bikes 400 pounds or less.

There are a number of reasons, fun in the curves, ease of picking up and putting against the wall in the garage (can you lift your bike), the ease of control at low speeds and 2 up, the ease of working on it.

I have not dropped a street bike in 35 years although I almost dropped a new 500 pound Bonneville when my foot slipped on sand, 2 up, doing a U turn on a small street.

Smaller lighter bikes are fun, big heavy bikes bore me.
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Old Yesterday, 05:16 AM   #5
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Smaller lighter bikes are fun, big heavy bikes bore me.
+1, anything big is boring as Hell.

Brett, should I point him towards the "other " thread??
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Old Yesterday, 05:20 AM   #6
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I have a 600 lb disparity between my HD and the broom stick. It sure is damn nice moving the KTM around.
Not so nice on the road when the wind gusts!

I think a combination of lighter weight and lower CG may make a difference for you folks. Go as light as you are willing to go with road stability in mind.
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Old Yesterday, 06:00 AM   #7
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I have a 600 lb disparity between my HD and the broom stick. It sure is damn nice moving the KTM around.
Not so nice on the road when the wind gusts!

I think a combination of lighter weight and lower CG may make a difference for you folks. Go as light as you are willing to go with road stability in mind.
Road stability has a lot more to do with wheelbase, steering dimensions and wind profile. Also how tense the rider is holding on the handlebar is important. (wind protection does come into play here).

My first bike (a Honda CBR250R, 168 kg wet) was quite stable on the highway in side wind conditions. The NC750 I have now is stable as a rock (relative long wheelbase).

Now...'Stable as a rock' is subjective ofcourse.

Myself was thinking about getting a bigger bike as well (something like a Super tenere 1200. Although these are not as heavy as a BMW 6 or something similair) but for now I don't regret it. There will never be a day were you are like 'jeez. I wish my bike was 60 kilograms heavier'
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For what I do, I like my bikes 400 pounds or less.

There are a number of reasons, fun in the curves, ease of picking up and putting against the wall in the garage (can you lift your bike), the ease of control at low speeds and 2 up, the ease of working on it.

I have not dropped a street bike in 35 years although I almost dropped a new 500 pound Bonneville when my foot slipped on sand, 2 up, doing a U turn on a small street.

Smaller lighter bikes are fun, big heavy bikes bore me.
Valid points and small bikes can be fun. Driving 800kms 2up in a rain storm wouldn't be my idea of fun on anything under 400lbs. Thus the reason I own a shaft driver, electrically shielded, 600lb FJR...

Most folks with the comforts of the bigger bikes have a hard time giving up those comforts.
I'd like to see an 8-900cc, 400ish lb mini FJR.
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Driving 800kms 2up in a rain storm wouldn't be my idea of fun on anything under 400lbs.
I got a car for that.
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500 lbs of this with the active suspension option wouldn't bore me as a 60+ age rider........ What realistic options are there at 400 lbs for all day country rides? Most older riders want some wind protection. Even the new Yamaha Tracer which I think is a relatively small bike comes in at 460 lbs wet weight.



I agree with the OP's idea. Many older riders are riding bikes that are way to heavy for them, both in terms of their strength and skill level. My current ride is a mid size 220Kg wet (485 lbs) and I think around this is a good upper weight limit for older riders with lots of options.

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Old Yesterday, 07:07 AM   #11
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For what I do, I like my bikes 300 pounds or (much) less.

Smaller lighter bikes are fun, big heavy bikes don't interest me.
My slant on Brett's thoughts.

I have an XR250R gravel road explorer. While I liked my DR3 and DR6, they were just too heavy (for me).
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Old Yesterday, 07:11 AM   #12
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I ride all day on my F700 with a tall Vstream windscreen.

Another factor is Center of Gravity.

The F700 is heavier by about 50 lbs than then the CB550 I also ride, but the F700 feels significantly lighter because of the lower CoG.

As for big bikes... I refuse to ride anything with a larger engine than my first car, or about 1100cc.

(although the F700 has more horsepower...)
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That is why I have favored my BMW /5 bike as a youngster, through a career and into "graduated from work". Sub-500 pounds and a nimble joy to ride.

I don't need a Barcalounger...

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Goldwings will push themselves in either direction. Problem solved.

but with backup camera.
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I'd like to see an 8-900cc, 400ish lb mini fjr.
+1

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