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Old 01-04-2013, 04:07 PM   #721
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I've said it before, but I can't understand why some of these guys stay in GP other than to ride around and collect a check. I'm no Nicky or Ben, but if I had their talent I'd rather ride a competitive superbike and fight for wins/podiums than be mid-pack on a MotoGP bike. I don't think for a minute that those two are just collecting a paycheck, but I don't know why they would willingly subject themselves to mid-pack prison.
I think its about PRIDE.

I played competitive tournament paintball for years. I always played in the toughest league and division I could (as sponsorship allowed). We finished mid pack A LOT.

I had more pride in being a Division 1 player than a Division 2 champion.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:14 PM   #722
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Anybody know how the Marquez is getting along with his new honda?

Also, a cool vid with some of his highlights this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=L3WfLoTvkrA
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:55 AM   #723
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Fuck off.
Hey, people like me help in the natural remediation process, like bacteria.

I was rooting for Spies a bit in 2011, but it was clear he was struggling, and that he'd have no excuse in 2012, not being a rookie anymore. Take away the crazy bad luck he had, and he still under-performed.

That said, I hope that, irony of ironies, Ducaudi bring a competitive bike to 2013, giving Hayden and Spies a boost and becoming a thorn in the side to Rossi.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:53 AM   #724
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Take away the crazy bad luck he had, and he still under-performed.
What would meet your expectations for his performance?

No ulterior motive behind this question, not trying to pick a fight, just wondering.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:56 AM   #725
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Anybody know how the Marquez is getting along with his new honda?
Very well by all indications.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:27 PM   #726
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What would meet your expectations for his performance?
Consistently finishing ahead of satellite M1s when his factory bike was working.

That has to be the expectation for any factory rider after his rookie year.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:17 PM   #727
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I'm wondering if Spies will actually do very well on the Ducati. He's always liked a very stiff setup that almost any other rider would call unrideable even since he raced AMA. He said it himself in that interview he likes to throw the bike around and be aggressive. Which is the complete opposite of what the Yamaha was built for. His riding style seems more similar to Stoner's so maybe he can ride the Duc like Stoner did?
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:08 PM   #728
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I'm a big Spies fan, and would love to see him win on the Duc, but I think the bike needs a lot before it can win. Melandrie is good at chucking a bike around, was labeled a "dark horse" for the Duc, and look how well he did. Nicky is a good rider also, who's biggest crime seems to be shredding the tires before the race is over, yet he's languished for years now on the Duc. The bike seems to be fundamentally flawed. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Old 01-05-2013, 06:18 PM   #729
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The bike seems to be fundamentally flawed.
True, hopefully the 2013 model will be fundamentally different.

Not likely.
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Old 01-05-2013, 07:52 PM   #730
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True, hopefully the 2013 model will be fundamentally different.

Not likely.
If they don't start the season at least with something "different" whether its good or bad it would make me wonder what the F@&% they've been doing for the off season! If I don't see some sort of improvement in at least Nicky's qualifying positions this year I don't think Ducati will ever get it.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:01 AM   #731
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Is it their adherence to the 90 degree V-angle that is causing the balance problems? They abandonded the tube frame, why not this? It's prototype racing FFS!
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:28 AM   #732
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They had Rossi for 2 years, but did not seem interested (or just didn't know how) to build a bike VR could ride. It was a very big PR catastrophe for Ducati, when he decided to leave. Already they've made me wonder many times, just WTF is it, that they're trying to do with that Desmosedici, because absolutely nothing seems to work. I do believe Stoner would've finished higher than Rossi, had he still been there, but I really don't think even Stoner would've challenged Pedro and Jorge with that bike, it's just too far back. Yet to see some credible explanation, why that big picture is now changing. Audi money?? Well, maybe, but apparently Rossi does not expect that to happen just next year.

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Old 01-06-2013, 09:39 AM   #733
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For as much money Audi spent to get the Ducati brand I bet they will have a pretty short time to perform and at least get on the podium if not an occasional win.

Me thinks the real problem lies within the Italian mind set when it comes to change and development .
They are however a much smaller company than any of the other guys , and obviously do not have the cubic dollars/yen to throw at the problem. ( if they even know which problem to start with in the first place )
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:01 PM   #734
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Ducati development was halted early in year 2 due to the pending Audi deal. It is hard to judge what might have happened.

We will see what Audi's influence can do, though.

If they don't make some positive steps forward by mid season....
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:26 PM   #735
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You are the classic; "what have you done last fan"... and of course you are not a fan of Ben Spies, so you go out of your way to pile on. I'd say you don't know shit, but you probably do. Maybe unreasonably intolerant to be a critic, though.

Fuck off.

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Someone wasn't nice to me, so I quit. How Kocinski is that? All the displacement in that team wasn't in the motorcycle. Just sayin'.

Lot's of us regular folk are employed (for a lot less money) in organizations where someone is a jerk, too. Incredibly, we keep going to work and performing. Why so many give him a free pass for this is beyond me.
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