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Old 03-24-2014, 04:11 PM   #481
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i assume that i am riding well within manufacturer tolerances if i'm not bumping the needle off redline every few minutes!
Sure, but there's more wear at 3/4 revs then 1/3 revs.
Do you drive a car like that too?
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:46 PM   #482
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Sure, but there's more wear at 3/4 revs then 1/3 revs.
Do you drive a car like that too?
yes?? i like loud and i like acceleration!
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:48 PM   #483
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To be fair, the F800GT can barely get out of its own way under 3-3.5k.

In all seriousness, I would probably take one (if I had one) over 6k every day merging onto the 880 and maneuvering once there. No time for low rpm acceleration here.
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Old 03-24-2014, 04:49 PM   #484
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To be fair, the F800GT can barely get out of its own way under 3-3.5k.
ain't that the truth. 2-3k, and it's a sputtering, limping mess. over 5k, though, and it snarls quite nicelike...
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Old 03-24-2014, 05:38 PM   #485
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Are any of your ladies familiar with the story "The Princess and pea"?

Jeeeez it's a Frigg'n 800CC light weight parallel twin best suited for sporting rides on back roads!!!! Every bike has a optimum operating point as per the design. If ya want to cruise at 80mph all day on the interstate get a fat tourer of Heavy-Duty cruiser.

Ya wusses, I mean princesses!


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Old 03-24-2014, 06:25 PM   #486
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The magazines report the 800GT has intrusive vibrations.

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Old 03-25-2014, 05:56 AM   #487
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Are any of your ladies familiar with the story "The Princess and pea"?

Jeeeez it's a Frigg'n 800CC light weight parallel twin best suited for sporting rides on back roads!!!! Every bike has a optimum operating point as per the design. If ya want to cruise at 80mph all day on the interstate get a fat tourer of Heavy-Duty cruiser.

Ya wusses, I mean princesses!


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I don't think anyone would be complaining if we were talking about the F800GS or the F800R or even the F800ST, whose professed purposes seem to fit 'sporting rides on back roads' quite accurately.

But since BMW is positioning this as a 'grand touring' bike, it seems quite normal to evaluate its suitability for multi-day, long distance riding. And many people apparently think that the vibes are too intrusive for this type of use.
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Old 03-25-2014, 07:41 AM   #488
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I don't think anyone would be complaining if we were talking about the F800GS or the F800R or even the F800ST, whose professed purposes seem to fit 'sporting rides on back roads' quite accurately.

But since BMW is positioning this as a 'grand touring' bike, it seems quite normal to evaluate its suitability for multi-day, long distance riding. And many people apparently think that the vibes are too intrusive for this type of use.
Yup - pretty much it exactly.

BMW is clearly positioning it as a middleweight sport-tourer, and in the US at least, that means a crapload of stoplights and four-way intersections or an interstate.

The fact that the bike has the issue solely because of how BMW wanted the engine to sound is what makes it so egregious a flaw.

Unrelated: looks like HVMP makes f800r barends now ( http://www.hvmp.com/BMW-s/5.htm ). They have a semi-universal set that fits a variety of BMW bikes, including the F800S - no idea if they will fit the GT, but a pair did a nice job of shifting the resonance point out of the commuter range on my ex500 a few years ago.
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What manufactures want us to believe is sometimes a good distance from reality. A little research and common sense can go a long way in making the right decision for our needs. Caveat Emptor!

So you went from "fatal flaw" to "egregious flaw", me thinks you exaggerate just a bit Mr ph0rk.

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Old 03-25-2014, 02:52 PM   #490
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What manufactures want us to believe is sometimes a good distance from reality. A little research and common sense can go a long way in making the right decision for our needs. Caveat Emptor!

So you went from "fatal flaw" to "egregious flaw", me thinks you exaggerate just a bit Mr ph0rk.

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You think saying fatal flaw at one moment and using the word "egregious" another, after working and generally doing all the things mammals do in between is backpedalling? Are you just out of ammunition?

Never mind that a flaw can be both a fatal one for a tourer and egregious one for the reasons BMW made the choice at the same time.


(Also, are you arguing the F800GT isn't a sport-tourer? Dafuq?)
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You think saying fatal flaw at one moment and using the word "egregious" another, after working and generally doing all the things mammals do in between is backpedalling? Are you just out of ammunition?

Never mind that a flaw can be both a fatal one for a tourer and egregious one for the reasons BMW made the choice at the same time.


(Also, are you arguing the F800GT isn't a sport-tourer? Dafuq?)
I'm saying if you can't take the vibrations from a parallel twin you should be riding a triple, v4, in-line 4, inline 6, etc....

I'm saying if you're a long distance slab rider you'd be better served by the stability and comfort of a larger bike with a more mass.

I'm saying there is a tool that is best for any job but none that is best for all jobs.

As always YMMV...... BUT you'd be wrong!

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I'm saying if you can't take the vibrations from a parallel twin you should be riding a triple, v4, in-line 4, inline 6, etc....

I'm saying if you're a long distance slab rider you'd be better served by the stability and comfort of a larger bike with a more mass.

I'm saying there is a tool that is best for any job but none that is best for all jobs.

As always YMMV...... BUT you'd be wrong!

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Ok, and all I was saying was that the F800GT has (can have, whatever) buzzy vibes and anyone thinking about distance work should pay close attention to it.

Therefore: you agree with me.

Given that BMW is marketing it as a tool for that exact job, this isn't that bizarre of a statement.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:49 PM   #493
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yes?? i like loud and i like acceleration!
Would you buy a used bike or a car from someone who told you that
he was riding most of the time at 3/4 of the revs?

I wouldn't.

I like speed and acceleration too, but have more sense in me to ride around
town in 5th gear then ins 2nd, since I'm not shitting replacement parts for
bikes or living on an oil field.

I have nothing against riding fast, I was talking about using insane amount
of revs (percentage of maximum revs), in situations where it's not needed.

I know a guy who used to cruise around town in his BMW 320Ci (170hp)
at 4500-5000 revs around town in 2nd gear, 'cause he liked the sound
of his 6 cyl engine. Did he enjoy himself? Yes.

Was he wasting fuel and destroying the engine? Yeah.
Would I buy the car from him? No, I'm not that stupid.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:50 PM   #494
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To be fair, the F800GT can barely get out of its own way under 3-3.5k.
You should try the FZ6 at those revs, you'd never mention the 800 lacking
low end grunt - ever. :)
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Are any of your ladies familiar with the story "The Princess and pea"?

Jeeeez it's a Frigg'n 800CC light weight parallel twin best suited for sporting rides on back roads!!!! Every bike has a optimum operating point as per the design. If ya want to cruise at 80mph all day on the interstate get a fat tourer of Heavy-Duty cruiser.

Ya wusses, I mean princesses!


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We (I was) were talking about unnecessary revs when riding slowly.
Around town, etc.
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