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Old 11-14-2012, 08:42 PM   #16
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When a manufacturer's biggest efforts go into "nostalgia", there's no surprise in that.




What could have been, and never got a fair chance.
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Crying shame that, they coulda sold dozens of those...
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:55 PM   #17
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That does it, I am burning my Harley. I just can't take the shame.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:59 PM   #18
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I'm just going to ride mine till it blows up, been trying to kill it for the last 62,000 miles.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:17 PM   #19
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Crying shame that, they coulda sold dozens of those...
QUIT BEING SO NEGATIVE.

I bet they would have been able to sell a hundred.

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:06 PM   #20
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It has been common knowledge that the Twin Cam motors were not reliable since they came out. The cam drive is the main issue, but the "B" version of this engine has another problem, the balancer chains. I'll say it again CHAINS DO NOT BELONG INSIDE ENGINES The gear drive helps a lot, but the engines are so much more complicated than the EVO there are many more things to go wrong. The whine is due to straight cut gears. I have a Chevy S-10 with a 350 small block with a gear driven cam. I had a choice between helical gears (quieter) or straight cut gears (noisy but stronger) I like the noise. Sounds like a blower whine.

Except for the 1981 Sturgis, all stock Harleys have had primary chains. But they seldom fail. And they are easily replaceable. If you see a Harley with a belt driven primary, it is aftermarket.

BTW, what happened to all the EVO Harleys? Back in the early to mid '90s people were waiting a year on them and paying double price. Now I hardly ever see one. I look at every one I see, and sure enough there is that oval air cleaner. Hundreds of thousands of Harleys seem to have virtually disappeared over night. Considering the EVO was made from '83-'99, how could that many have just vanished from the face of the earth?
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:38 AM   #21
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CHAINS DO NOT BELONG INSIDE ENGINES




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Old 11-15-2012, 06:01 AM   #22
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BTW, what happened to all the EVO Harleys? Back in the early to mid '90s people were waiting a year on them and paying double price. Now I hardly ever see one. I look at every one I see, and sure enough there is that oval air cleaner. Hundreds of thousands of Harleys seem to have virtually disappeared over night. Considering the EVO was made from '83-'99, how could that many have just vanished from the face of the earth?
I imagine the majority of them were shipped overseas, where they sold for more than twice what they were sold for here in the US. A friend was involved in overseas HD sales and he shipped a lot of containers filled with Evos, mostly to S. America and S. Africa. I sold my '87 FXST with ~100k miles to my buddy, for $2k more than I paid for it in '88. He shipped it overseas.
Even the dealers were involved. In the '90s, the local dealer where I lived was busted by HD for selling new bikes to their employees, who then sold them back to the dealer. They then shipped them offshore for big bucks. There were some dealers that had different scams going on, also.
As far as the cam bearings on Evos, the factory bearings were fine on the stock cams. The problem would be when you installed an aftermarket cam without changing out the stock bearing for a Torrington brand needle bearing.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:11 AM   #23
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Spring seat pressure kills the EVO INA bearings. The TC88 INA bearings are usually a collateral damage item from debris/oil pump failure due to tensioner shoe debris.

As for the EVOs Harley didn't make as many as they have the TC88s. Harley had a production capacity of 100,000 in 1995. in 2007 they shipped 291,147 not inculiding 9K or so Buells.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:55 AM   #24
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I'll say it again CHAINS DO NOT BELONG INSIDE ENGINES

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:17 AM   #25
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Yep, what he said.........
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:55 AM   #26
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As for the Evo's disappearing: I've often wondered that myself. Prior to 1999, thee were scads of Evo's and within a year or two, they seemed like a rare sight. When the rubber mount Sporties came out, again it seemed liek all the solid mounts disappeared within one season. What happens to these bikes?
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:25 AM   #27
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CHAINS DO NOT BELONG INSIDE ENGINES
I think every 4 stroke motorcycle I've ever owned (except that Evo Harley) has had at least one chain inside the engine. They've never given me any trouble. Not to say they can't. But if you think about it, inside an engine is a pretty ideal environment for a chain. It's sealed from any dirt or contamination and constantly bathed in lubrication. My observation has been you are more likeley to have trouble with the tensioning system than the chain itself.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:02 PM   #28
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Right, the chains don't break, the tensioners lose tension and the bike is sold. The other reason bikes are sold are electrical problems and dirty carbs. Older bikes, you know.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:18 PM   #29
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As for the Evo's disappearing: I've often wondered that myself. Prior to 1999, thee were scads of Evo's and within a year or two, they seemed like a rare sight. When the rubber mount Sporties came out, again it seemed liek all the solid mounts disappeared within one season. What happens to these bikes?
People that ride buy them.

And then they ride them.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:35 PM   #30
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Yeah, Harleys suck, I guess that's how/why they out sell all other brands combined in the USA.
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