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Old 12-02-2012, 03:49 AM   #16
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Not practical for me but that said, I'd love to have one sitting in the garage. I bet it's a blast to ride. I'm also wondering what the top speed will be.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:16 AM   #17
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Old 12-02-2012, 06:00 AM   #18
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http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic103620
A wise buyer gets educated before any money changes hands.
There are some semi-official looking design drawings of the components on the 946 if you click the link and scroll down.
The "aluminum" chassis is in fact made of steel. The aluminum parts consist of the seat pan and glued sheet aluminum on the plastic headset.
Design details show ABS and linked brakes, hello Klaviator!
WOOT for the underwear shot of the Lady on the yellow 946!

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Old 12-02-2012, 06:52 AM   #19
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:43 AM   #20
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I thought there already was a thread about the 946...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839979
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:14 AM   #21
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That thing is expected to cost as somewhere between the BV300 and BV350
(22 and 33hp) here in EU, or.. almost as much as a Kawasaki ER6n.

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Old 12-03-2012, 09:34 AM   #22
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I like all the BV scooters, and they would be my choice for a freeway legal scooter. At least with them you get something besides looks. I can't imagine the 946 being a blast to ride, from the seat it looks just like an LX150 or an S150, and if it tops out at 50 mph, it wouldn't be very exiting. Riding it would be strictly a visual experience. Like the VW New Beetle, and cars like the Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang, they are nice to look at, but when you are behind the wheel you don't see any of that, and they drive and feel just like a plain 4 door sedan. The V8 models have more power, which you can't use because of the cops, but they are still quiet and smooth, and isolate the driver and passenger from the driving experience. Modern scooters tend to do this too, and I find them very appliance like. But at least you are still out in the open. My Stella 2 stroke with a manual transmission really is a blast to ride, to bad it is not reliable to risk taking on a long trip.

Vespa has a 65 year heritage. They need to go back in time and build something based on a '60s design. It has certainly worked well for Harley, though the Japanese have not had such good luck with it. Kawasaki's W650 was a beauty, but they dropped it before I had a chance to buy one.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:44 AM   #23
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I like all the BV scooters, and they would be my choice for a freeway legal scooter. At least with them you get something besides looks. I can't imagine the 946 being a blast to ride, from the seat it looks just like an LX150 or an S150, and if it tops out at 50 mph, it wouldn't be very exiting.
It IS the size of the LX, more or less.
The power is 11-13hp (125-150cc).

You can expect GPS 60mph out of the 125, probably a few mph more
from the 150.

The Piaggio Fly 100 4 stroke with 6,6hp is good for over 50mph indicated.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:50 AM   #24
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Wait, where's the spare tire?
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:53 AM   #25
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Wait, where's the spare tire?
Considering it's a Piaggio - you'd rather have a spare set of electronics then
a tire IMHO.

Or:
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:25 AM   #26
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Vespa has a 65 year heritage. They need to go back in time and build something based on a '60s design. It has certainly worked well for Harley
I really disagree with this! 'Something based on 60s design' is exactly what they have been building, as every model in their range up to this point is pretty much more of the same. Yes, it worked for them, as a part of Piaggio group - I wonder how well they would fare as an independent company!
It also worked for HD up to the point but then you have the problem that HD now faces: they seriously need to refresh their range to appeal to next generations of riders, but their customer base won't let them! However, Vespa lucked out with this design as they managed to create something that is both contemporary AND clearly maintaining links to their traditional designs. They should run with that, for all it's worth! As for going back in time... the traditional manual scooter is by now just a niche product that appeals only to a few hardcore enthusiasts and would not sustain a brand that needs to sell in volume. Besides, I'm sure you know they've already got one of these, namely the PX.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:31 AM   #27
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I don't think guys @ Vespa have great expectations from the 946.
It's a "fashion statement", or a "look what we can do" thing.

The 946 is not replacing any of their current models that's making
money for them.

With a line-up of very retro looking scoots, this is exactly what then
needed, a modern retro if you will, not something just like the old
ones.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:41 PM   #28
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Side views look great. Kinda fugly from the front though.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:20 AM   #29
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This scooter wasn't designed for the masses, and most of the members posting comments contained here regarding this scoot obviously aren't the targeted end users. I think it's nice that someone has designed something from a clean sheet of paper that is obviously going to turn heads. I will definitely pick one up as I see this a being something unique, in short supply and probably something that will hold it's value. For all you guys piloting your plastic clad scoots designed and manufactured in the asian rim, rest easy knowing that you are the true red headed step children of the big bike manufacturers or the Walmart inspired inexpensive alternative scooters. If you feel intimidated by something you truly don't understand, be kind, and don't make it so obvious about how miserable you are in the life you lead.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:38 AM   #30
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This scooter wasn't designed for the masses, and most of the members posting comments contained here regarding this scoot obviously aren't the targeted end users. I think it's nice that someone has designed something from a clean sheet of paper that is obviously going to turn heads. I will definitely pick one up as I see this a being something unique, in short supply and probably something that will hold it's value. For all you guys piloting your plastic clad scoots designed and manufactured in the asian rim, rest easy knowing that you are the true red headed step children of the big bike manufacturers or the Walmart inspired inexpensive alternative scooters. If you feel intimidated by something you truly don't understand, be kind, and don't make it so obvious about how miserable you are in the life you lead.
While I do understand the design goal of the 946, your comments tell
more about you then about the guys that don't like the 946.

How miserable your life is that you HAVE TO own something "unique".
Is the sole purpose of buying it just because you think you'll be one
of the few owners? Sounds like compensating for something to me.

Hold it's value? Hold it for what?
You're already thinking about selling it?

Motorcycles are very rarely an investment that can earn you money.

There's plenty of "clean sheet of paper designs that turn heads", and
none of those folks feel the need to justify their choice, not to mention
justifying it even before buying the damn thing.

Reality check?
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