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Old 03-06-2010, 03:48 PM   #1
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Leaning sidecars? What's the go?

Does a leaner have to be designed from the ground up?

Or can one design a frame so that any sidecar can lean?

What model's are out there?

What are the pro's and con's of a leaner vs rigid?

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Old 03-06-2010, 04:08 PM   #2
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Does a leaner have to be designed from the ground up?

Or can one design a frame so that any sidecar can lean?

What model's are out there?

What are the pro's and con's of a leaner vs rigid?

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Old 03-06-2010, 04:23 PM   #3
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the pro of a leaner is that you don't have to change your bike,
only mounting a subframe for the leaner.
the sittingpart has to be small and mow, thats because you can use as much as possible place by leaning to the right. (or left in case of lefthanded)
another pro is that you can easy connect or disconnect your leaner!
sometimes you like to drive solo? no problem then.
I build my leaner by myself, easy for the correct sizes of everything.
and had lots of joy by building it and now evenso by driving it!
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Old 03-08-2010, 04:04 AM   #4
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Start here:
http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/flexit.htm

http://www.schwenker-gespann-club.de/

Briefly, an articulated outfit is one that still manages to handle like a solo. It still countersteers. It can be ridden across a slope with much less danger of tipping.

When parked it needs a sidestand, or must have some form of stability 'lock' like a Piaggio MP3.

Different dynamics requires different form:
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:22 AM   #5
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TORO, yes!
nice but not in production anymore!
Flexit is also like the Toro, but much more stabille.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:52 AM   #6
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I've been waiting for my R1200GSA Kalich build for several weeks now. It's supposed to ship from Germany at the end of the month. The tub comes unpainted, so after a paint job I hope to have it on the road by late April.

More pictures on the Kalich site, here: http://kalich.de/html/r1200gs.html

I'm not planning on orange, as I don't want my properly orange bike in the garage pitching a fit, but here is a sample pic of the Kalich leaner on his R1200GS:

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Old 03-10-2010, 10:30 AM   #7
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[quote=Mac]I've been waiting for my R1200GSA Kalich build for several weeks now. It's supposed to ship from Germany at the end of the month. The tub comes unpainted, so after a paint job I hope to have it on the road by late April.

More pictures on the Kalich site, here: http://kalich.de/html/r1200gs.html

I'm not planning on orange, as I don't want my properly orange bike in the garage pitching a fit, but here is a sample pic of the Kalich leaner on his R1200GS:




Sounds like it will be a ton of fun and very cool. Seen the Kalich site before. Wish I could translate that German. Also watched Gary Kramer's video. A very nice rig also. Let's see those pics when your done. What are you doin for steering mods on your new rig?
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Old 03-10-2010, 11:53 AM   #8
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Sounds like it will be a ton of fun and very cool. Seen the Kalich site before. Wish I could translate that German. Also watched Gary Kramer's video. A very nice rig also. Let's see those pics when your done. What are you doin for steering mods on your new rig?
Try this for translation:
http://translate.google.com/translat...ml&sl=de&tl=en

I just go to http://translate.google.com/ and paste in the link. If you don't know the language (obviously this site is in German) Google has an autodetect mode for the language.

I'll definitely post the pics when I get it in my grubby control.

One of the benefits of this design is no steering mods are required, and you can pull off the sidecar in 10-15 minutes easy. Two bolts and a wiring connector.
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:48 PM   #9
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Hi,

for a leaner sidecar you shouldn't change the geometry at all!
Remember it is still a solo with a sidecar attached not a hack / combination like a rigid sidecar. It also drives like a solo.
Having experience with a rigid sidecar will not be your friend...
Having experience with a solo and you will have no problem to drive a leaner sidecar. Only takes some time to keep the additional width in mind.

@mac:
10-15 min will be only for the first time, once you've done that it will be 5 min max.

I hope you're not shy, once you curve around with a leaner you will meet quite some people...

A $/ for each photo and I possibly could finance each holiday.

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Have fun with yours.

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Old 03-10-2010, 03:50 PM   #10
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TORO, yes!
nice but not in production anymore!
Flexit is also like the Toro, but much more stabille.
Hi Leopold,

did you had the chance of driving both?

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Old 03-11-2010, 08:52 AM   #11
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I hope you're not shy, once you curve around with a leaner you will meet quite some people...

A $/ for each photo and I possibly could finance each holiday.
For better or worse, I have no sidecar experience at all, either rigid or leaner. Maybe I'm crazy to buy a new sidecar from Germany right out of the box. I've only got 30 years of riding experience, so I've still got some learning to do. Hopefully I've got enough skill to handle the leaner.

So, I need to figure a way to charge people for each photo, eh?
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[quote=Willi-Jens]Hi,

for a leaner sidecar you shouldn't change the geometry at all!
Remember it is still a solo with a sidecar attached not a hack / combination like a rigid sidecar. It also drives like a solo.
Having experience with a rigid sidecar will not be your friend...
Having experience with a solo and you will have no problem to drive a leaner sidecar. Only takes some time to keep the additional width in mind.

@mac:
10-15 min will be only for the first time, once you've done that it will be 5 min max.

I hope you're not shy, once you curve around with a leaner you will meet quite some people...

A $/ for each photo and I possibly could finance each holiday.

This is mine


Have fun with yours.

Regards

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I hear ya on that, WJ. As a noob I just hadn't thought it through .
One of the first things found after starting to research my own project was that, trying to go solo eliminates the possibiity of steering mods, at least if you want to live to collect your old age pension Decided to go with a dedicated rigid rig. Do like that leaning concept.
Am curious though, do you get a lot of the push/pull effect on braking and accelleration? Also what does the chair weigh?
Thanks in advance.

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[quote=Mac]For better or worse, I have no sidecar experience at all, either rigid or leaner. Maybe I'm crazy to buy a new sidecar from Germany right out of the box. I've only got 30 years of riding experience, so I've still got some learning to do. Hopefully I've got enough skill to handle the leaner.

So, I need to figure a way to charge people for each photo, eh?


Thanks for the translator link Mac. What's this about crazy? Besides we only have one trip around and it's only money I've been hearing some inuendos about my mental state also. Seems like the planning has gone on for months. Am a sidecar noob also. Aquiring new ideas and helps keep us enthused Yes those pics will be nice to see.
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For better or worse, I have no sidecar experience at all, either rigid or leaner.
From Ralph's experience thats good. Even solo learner have usually no problem handling these leaner sidecars (slightly more difficult when speaking about parallel leaner sidecars, those that also lean the sidecar body, only due to additional weight to be balanced).
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Maybe I'm crazy to buy a new sidecar from Germany right out of the box. I've only got 30 years of riding experience, so I've still got some learning to do. Hopefully I've got enough skill to handle the leaner.
I don't think you will regret it.
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So, I need to figure a way to charge people for each photo, eh?
Yeah
Let me tell you a story:
I just got it and was passing a pedestrian on the sidewalk. He turned his head to look for the motorcycle he was hearing coming from behind. He looked shortly, turned back, while he was walking and then shot his head back to look at what he was possibly considering a bit odd in his mind on that last picture. While he stared at me riding past, he unfortunately forgot to keep in mind that there was a street lamp post coming up right in front of him.....

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