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Old 12-06-2012, 02:54 PM   #1
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No guns in Canada, what a pity!

Interesting news story. He got off easier than a Canuck would have me thinks.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...ss-the-border/
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:42 PM   #2
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If he was straight up in the first place, he might have got the verbal experince instead of the physical experince. I think the ordeal was completly blown out.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:47 PM   #3
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It sounds like they were going to search him, since two different officials questioned him about it. He was probably carrying lots of camping gear, and looked like he might be carrying. I thought everyone knew that Canadian gun laws are more restrictive than the USA. Pretty careless on his part.

He mentioned that they will keep a visitor's gun at the border until they return. I wonder if each border crossing has a locked safe where they store visitor's guns until they return. That sounds pretty nice of them actually, considering you are rolling up on the border with something that is illegal in Canada. I don't think we do that for Mexican citizens, and guns are legal here.
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:26 PM   #4
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No sympathy for this guy. First he was to ignorant to know the laws of a country he travelled into, second he lied about it...duh.

I live in a border town and this happens all the time, if you say "yes I have a firearm" they will just give you the speach and turn you around, no problem...lie about it..problem. They give the poor student thing, hes 26 years old not some kid, get a clue.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:58 PM   #5
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This story came up months ago in an American rag when the family was boosting for legal $$ donations.

The story at that time, had a link to the dummy's facebook page where he describes the planned trip, and how he was debating with the other rider (his brother) about taking their firearms along and how they should pack them aboard the bikes.
One rider declined to bring his along, the other one didn't -- that means he intentionally decided to sneak (smuggle) it in.

It's not like these idiots are from some backwater like Florida, and are on their way to 'make a new life in Alaska' -- they both reside close enough to Canada to know the score.

No fucking sympathy for this retard. He shoulda done significant time AND had both the firearm and bike seized.



This summer we had a female border guard shot in the neck here in BC, by some wacked out fucker from Seattle who then shot himself in the head, right at the border booth.

I wouldn't blame the actions of any of these agents now, if they stopped each & every American, stipped 'em naked, and rammed an endoscope up their ass. Especially if retards like Kraig continue to show up and plead ignorance -- there are signs, right beside the road leading up to each and every CDN portal, that state what isn't admissable into Canada and what needs to be declared.

Nobody in this country will have the sniffles over Mr. Jacobson's ruined vacation.

When in doubt,.... declare, declare, declare.
The worst thing that can happen is you'll be turned away, or required to pay an import duty.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:22 PM   #6
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No sympathy at all. You make a deliberate decision like that, there can be a penalty, and this was fairly light. I agree that a Canadian might have been hit harder by the law - and I say this as someone who has a variety of guns, including pistols, but our regulations are common sense, not hard to follow, and quite reasonable. Of course, we have a much less violent society. Maybe if I lived in some places down south, I'd feel a need to carry as well. Or not.

We also have a greater faith in democratic process. One seemingly knowledgeable American I talked to explained it as a fear of their own government, and the idea that a personal firearm would somehow keep them free...

If you want to get into a goofy, unreasoning argument, talk guns with many Alaskans. It's a really, really different culture, just across a line on the map. Funny note, we have a fellow in Whitehorse who has started winning some big pistol matches in Alaska, and they don't like it at all, to be beaten at what they see as their own game. Reportedly, if he wins, there is no applause, just silence.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:57 AM   #7
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So what we have here is another American citizen who tried to smuggle a gun into Canada and got caught.

Sounds like he got off pretty easy. Even if he wasn't lying about being ignorant of Canada's gun laws, he still broke the law.

I have been around the world on a motorcycle and never needed a gun for protection. Lots of times I was in tight spots but always found a way out of it. Pretending the gun was for protection from animals is not the truth. Speak to an American about why he carries a gun to the mall.

With his banning from coming into Canada anymore, I guess that is the best part of this story.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:36 AM   #8
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Pretty much a total idiot. Being unaware of things is not a defence. Being unaware of different laws, customs, procedures in areas where you'd like to go probably concludes to me that you should travel no further than the outer limits of your town.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #9
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I'd cut him some slack. We were all young once and did stupid things. I, for one, think we should have conceal carry permits here in Canada.....but that's just my opinion.

Looks like he did the time for his mistake and paid the price.....lesson learned.
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Old 12-07-2012, 12:27 PM   #10
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fun interpretation of this article happening now in the Basement.
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Old 12-07-2012, 04:21 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by frazman View Post
fun interpretation of this article happening now in the Basement.
Here: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=846752

Some pretty funny stuff. Lots of his countrymen agree that he deserved what he got.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:24 PM   #12
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Ease up on our control laws

You know this guy got screwed because he was white! I've seen cases in Toronto when the accused was black and had a sawed off shotgun in his trunk get off scott free.


http://www.toronto-criminal-lawyers....0Dismissed.pdf

Just thought I'd put a dose of reality in for some of the Canadian pussies giving their opinion on this.

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Old 12-12-2012, 07:43 PM   #13
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What an idiot! There's no way that he didn't know that bringing a gun into Canada was illegal... I mean, how do you embark on this journey and not even think to check into the legality of bringing a gun across an international border? I have a hard time believing that he never once thought to check to see if bringing a pistol into Canada was legal. Even if he was stupid enough not to check the laws, there are a bunch of signs leading up to any border crossing telling you to declare the guns. On top of all that, he lied to the border guard. He's damn lucky that he's not still in jail.

I'm a big gun rights proponent, and generally carry wherever I'm legally allowed to... But I leave my guns at home if I'm traveling somewhere where I can't legally bring them. Sure I wish I could carry when I travel to Canada (or New York for that matter), but it's your country and your laws. If it bothered me that much, I'd just stay in the US.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:00 PM   #14
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The trouble is

The gang members in Canada get off the regular Joe's get reamed. My issue is this, the guys in the story below should have never been allowed to be Canadians. I truly doubt they could find Canada on a globe. They are gangsters and some Ass Hat judge lets them off for a reason that would have never been extended for me or any other white guy.


http://www.toronto-criminal-lawyers....0Dismissed.pdf
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:27 PM   #15
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Glock owner, I think your argument is quite a stretch. The details of the two cases are there and there's no reason how race played into this.

OP's case was that a person brought a gun in, and being in a sensitive area - a border - lied about the gun he carried. This can be used against him.

Your example is a case where the cop brought searched someone using a reason that is not constitutional. The search was based on a 'hunch' which was not a admissable reason to conduct a search. And as a result, whatever findings of that search was invalid, even though it might be the most illegal of things.
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