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Old 12-09-2012, 01:57 PM   #16
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So I see what you're saying, I think more companies need to make a wider range, rather than just the 200 dog, the 400 MX and the 650pig. And for crying out loud, where's 6th gear on these things!?
That's pretty much it with the Japanese brands. Why not 650 that's closer to 300 lbs than 400 lbs? Why not a versatile 400 cc bike rather than one that can't do dirt or road even decently?

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why would it be shocking if the DR650 got upgraded? geez it came out in 1996.
i'm shocked it's still around (it's been almost 20yrs) and lame Suzuki has not updated it yet.
You missed my point or I made it poorly. The DR650 should be upgraded. But if by "upgrading" they make it heavier, or goi to a 19" front wheel, or put even cheaper components on it, that would be a step backward even with bold, new graphics. And that seems to be what happens. Keep the weight where it is or even lose a couple pounds and add EFI or a 6 speed (not that it really needs it), or 5 HP. Those would be upgrades. I hope if and when the DR650 does get revised, it gets improved, not bastardized.

I also was in no way flaming the European brands or questioning their quality (I ride a G650X). But they typically cost quite a bit more than similar Japanese bikes and I still think the Japanese brands (again, typically) do better with maintenance intervals and downtime. Not so much quality of parts/components.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:49 PM   #17
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:11 PM   #18
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To me, it is time passes and people forget the bad. We are in golden age of dual sports right now. The only real holes I see are the lack of a big bore for the blue team and the red team's refusal to update their 650. Otherwise all the bases are well covered from 250 to 1200 cc. I honestly can't think of any bikes from my past that I want to ride today.
+1 yep. I have owned about 100 bikes and I have been riding for about 50 years. I love my new bikes and don't want any of my old ones back. Well, I would take them back, as long as I wouldn't have to ride them. BTW I still have an RZ350, great bike, but I don't ride it, my FZ1 will do everything better than it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:35 PM   #19
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My first bike was a TS 185, but the DT 400 was areally nice bike for dual sporting.
Here we had a DT200 for a while. I think they stopped coming in 1991. They were a real blast. Good oil injection system, power valve, handled good. The little 2 stroke would rev to 9000rpm. The suspension was a bit soft. It was later updated in other countries to a DT230. I've never seen one though.
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:53 PM   #20
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My vote is ATK hands down. I have owned a lot of bikes and the ATK's (California or Utah--2 stroke or 4) are by far my favorite.

Its a shame, I wish they could have kept going after 03
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:07 PM   #21
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+1 yep. I have owned about 100 bikes and I have been riding for about 50 years. I love my new bikes and don't want any of my old ones back. Well, I would take them back, as long as I wouldn't have to ride them. BTW I still have an RZ350, great bike, but I don't ride it, my FZ1 will do everything better than it.
The reason I have never been able to part with my 82 XT200 is to remind me why I don't like riding old bikes. A couple of years back a friend let me ride his DT400. I was psyched because that was THE bike I lusted after back in the day. But I wasn't even out of his yard before I wanted off.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:30 PM   #22
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While these weren't supposed to be dual sports, I had a 2002 Cannondale E440 with the sorted out ATK motor/electrics. Fun bike, and nicely suspended. Just found myself (or my dad, depending on who rode it that day) praying to every god that nothing broke inside the motor. These had a habit of throwing rod bearings like there was no tomorrow.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:47 PM   #23
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The reason I have never been able to part with my 82 XT200 is to remind me why I don't like riding old bikes. A couple of years back a friend let me ride his DT400. I was psyched because that was THE bike I lusted after back in the day. But I wasn't even out of his yard before I wanted off.
In the same regard, I recently parted with a 76 Gold Wing LTD. Beautiful bike in almost new condition. Brand new 1976 brakes, new 76 suspension, 1976 ergos and bias ply tires to top it off. I really did not like to ride it.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:57 PM   #24
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Having owned a few larger dual sports in the past I'm real happy with my DR350. Id probably say I miss the Yamaha XT500 and would like to find one someday.
Oh yes, XT500!
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:05 PM   #25
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While these weren't supposed to be dual sports, I had a 2002 Cannondale E440 with the sorted out ATK motor/electrics. Fun bike, and nicely suspended. Just found myself (or my dad, depending on who rode it that day) praying to every god that nothing broke inside the motor. These had a habit of throwing rod bearings like there was no tomorrow.
I had an impeccable 06 ATK 450 (basically an ATK upgraded 03 C'dale). INCREDIBLE handling and suspension--the bike was seriously magic in the desert terrain. That said it would run for at most 10 minutes at a time then would randomly shut off and not restart until it had completely cooled down. I never figured it out and eventually bailed on it. I can't help but wonder how they would have faired with a reliable crank and FCR carb instead of the crappy EFI...
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:41 PM   #26
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The Suzuki Trailhopper of the early 70's was a great bike. It would sell if brought to the market again.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:19 PM   #27
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Seem to recall that a friend's DT175 had a really wide ratio 6 speed transmission. It had an 'overdrive' in sixth that could pull you along at almost 75-80 mph in the right conditions. Yet first was low enough to cow-trail ride.

I think in our quest to make our bikes slightly less polluting, ( 2 vs. 4 stoke ) we've lost some of what made light, small bikes fun.
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Old 12-10-2012, 06:04 PM   #28
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I just rode a virgin, low mile, bone stock DT175. Yes, it was almost as light as my MXC. But OMFG it was slow. I almost can't believe that back in the day that bike was so far ahead of my KE that it almost made me cry.

Today my MXC 200 seems like it is from a different planet rather than a different generation.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:09 PM   #29
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I remember my 2 DT250's with fondness. Original 1968 DT-1 250, and later, a 1972 DT250 (red). I think they were the first decent dual sports from Japan. Had friends withe the AT-1 125, CT-1 175, and a DT-360.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:33 AM   #30
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I had a 1975 Yamaha CT175 that seemed unusally sweet - peppy engine and very light and fun on trails. I rode it all over the San Diego area in the 1977-78 timeframe. Did have one piston seizure while going down the "8" freeway at 60mph in traffic! Rear tire locked up, I pulled the clutch and coasted a few seconds and when I let it out the bike ran well enough to get me home. Simple and cheap to put a new piston in. Forget why I sold it (???)

Much later on I owned the single shock version and it wasn't the same, engine was not as peppy.

But, the XT500! I've owned three SR500's and would like another, or the XT500. That engine thumps, and the bikes are good sliders (the SR is the same frame). I can only imagine what that XT suspension is like on a rough trail!

I owned a 1982 XL500 that was a decent highway capable DS bike but doubt it would fare that well in a back to back comparison with say a DR650. I say it that way because it is a precusor of the modern -the XT500 is more comparable (style and function) to Brit thumpers than to modern big dualsports.
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