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Old 12-10-2012, 12:16 PM   #16
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Because that's ethically wrong. It's coercion; it's force; it's a violation of the rights of free people to make their own choices about their own lives.

That's why.

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Explain to me the basis of seat belt laws then. All 50 states require their use.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:26 PM   #17
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Explain to me the basis of seat belt laws then. All 50 states require their use.
Another feel good law bought and paid for by the insurance industry in an effort to reduce their risk. I don't remember voting on the issue. Did you? Did our rates go down after the passage?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:27 PM   #18
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No one mentioned why the helmet law was rescinded in the first place?.....It's all about the bucks baby! Tourism bucks! Texas T$$$$$
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:29 PM   #19
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If I even begin to go down this road... It's gonna get punted into Joe Mama, or the ban-hammer for me. It pisses me off that bad!!
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I remember Jay Leno describing his Buick Roadmaster. " No padded dashboard on this baby. You hit your head on that , they just hose it off and sell it to the next guy".

It does open up emotional discussions. We certainly do legislate a lot of safety rules and for the most part we follow them. I don't wear a helmet on bicycle rides although I insisted my kids wore them. Riding a motorcycle on a rural road is different than a busy urban street. Why does the same law govern both activities?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:36 PM   #21
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Explain to me the basis of seat belt laws then. All 50 states require their use.

NOT True 49 states have it, New Hampshire does not...Live Free or Die


The Fed blackmailed the states by withholding DOT funds if they didn't pass it...
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I remember Jay Leno describing his Buick Roadmaster. " No padded dashboard on this baby. You hit your head on that , they just hose it off and sell it to the next guy".

It does open up emotional discussions. We certainly do legislate a lot of safety rules and for the most part we follow them. I don't wear a helmet on bicycle rides although I insisted my kids wore them. Riding a motorcycle on a rural road is different than a busy urban street. Why does the same law govern both activities?
I saw one of those old Buicks that hit a concrete abutment at 80 mph. Engine was in the passenger compartment and the steering wheel stuck out from the rear window. That was a shovel and bucket recovery.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:43 PM   #23
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Explain to me the basis of seat belt laws then. All 50 states require their use.
49 states. But I get your point.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:44 PM   #24
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Another feel good law bought and paid for by the insurance industry in an effort to reduce their risk. I don't remember voting on the issue. Did you? Did our rates go down after the passage?
We elect representatives to do that voting. The US is a representative republic, not a democracy. If it reduces major risk, why is it a bad thing? Having bounced down the road a couple times off a motorcycle, I believe helmets are good. I've had four auto accidents in the 40 years of driving too. The ones prior to seat belt laws had injuries involving broken bones, after the law's enactment, none. Go figure.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #25
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I imagine right now many who have had their license for awhile are comfortable with a helmet and don't buy into the helmetless argument. It will be interested to check back in a few years as new riders start up and many of whom will not be using helmets because the law permits it.
Pennsylvania was the exact same, but went through this law change a few years ago... so looking at their stats and riders would probably show ya where Michigan is headed.

The only common-sense way of doing it, for me is to regulate the wearing of helmets for people who have children under the age of 18 who they are responsible for... I really don't see the point in regulating the freedom of others if it won't infringe upon anyone but themselves if they die.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:08 PM   #26
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Another feel good law bought and paid for by the insurance industry in an effort to reduce their risk. I don't remember voting on the issue. Did you? Did our rates go down after the passage?
Yep, that's bad that the insurance companies want to reduce their risks. They don't want to pay out claims for broken bones and such. Dirty dogs. Yeah and why do I have to have auto insurance anyway. Another right lost.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:09 PM   #27
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It would be very simple for insurance companies to exclude riders not wearing helmets, from coverage. Most all insurance companies will not pay under ones homeowners policy if any of several excluded breeds of dog (German shepherds, Rotts, etc) bite or injure someone.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:15 PM   #28
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Yep, that's bad that the insurance companies want to reduce their risks. They don't want to pay out claims for broken bones and such. Dirty dogs. Yeah and why do I have to have auto insurance anyway. Another right lost.
You have to have auto insurance in order to secure financial protection for the OTHER party, and their property, from YOU. One does not damage someone else just because no helmet is worn.
Mandatory helmet-use laws and mandatory auto-insurance laws are not quite the same thing.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:25 PM   #29
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Explain to me the basis of seat belt laws then. All 50 states require their use.
Another law that should be repealed.
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Would you play football without a helmet?

Well, kind of... It's called Rugby.

Your football reference is often parroted in these matters but is NOT applicable in any way. Football is a CONTACT SPORT. Riding a motorcycle is not.
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