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Old 12-12-2012, 05:17 AM   #91
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+1. This.

And of course the "cost to society" argument could be made equally well against motorcycling at all. Or skydiving, horseback riding, rock climbing, every other activity that carries any extra risk
parents that send snot nosed kids to school when they are sick are a higher cost to society than all of the above combined
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:37 AM   #92
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Not buying the whole "your on a public road paid for by tax payers, its privilege argument". We all pay taxes and registration to use the roads. Wearing a helmet or not only effects the rider so the government should leave that to the riders choice. As has been stated cost to society is negligible at best and there are many other activities that cause far more.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:12 AM   #93
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Well as my Dad was fond of saying to me in my youth.. "Son, If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough!"
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:13 AM   #94
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If there was a practical way to ban fatty foods (or just prevent people from eating them, maybe tax them?) I would be for it. I would actually be for a tax on fast food and places that serve food that provides little nutritional value and has high fat, sugar, and salt content. This would be a way to offset the costs of healthcare for these people.

Social engineering authoritarian bullshit. How apropos that you live in DC, arguably the area with the least understanding of this country. This is relevant to helmet laws, how? Except that further legislation restricting individual choice follows your agenda.

Back on topic: I grew up on Oahu, and helmets were mandatory for years. My dad and I agreed that if the law were repealed, we would probably not wear helmets in the valley we lived in. But if we went out of the valley, to downtown or on the freeway, we would wear them.
Unfortunately, by the time the law was repealed, I had already been T-boned by a car, and had my helmet (and my left leg) seriously damaged. Had I not had the helmet on, I'd be dead from hitting the curb headfirst.
My dad wore a helmet all the time until he quit riding, and I still do, regardless of the law. If other people want to go lidless, fine by me.
The 'cost to society' argument has not been borne out statistically in any study I've seen.


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Old 12-12-2012, 07:17 AM   #95
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Helmetless, in WA? No. without insurance, yes.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:56 PM   #96
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We should all be required to wear one of these by law:



I'm thinking of getting one to intimidate taxi drivers :)

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http://www.rekairbrush.com/site/mobi...LMETS.php#2866
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When we, as a nation, allow our rights to be defined by "what it might cost the government", we will cease to be a republic governed by the rule of law, as originally framed in the Constitution.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:57 PM   #98
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:37 PM   #99
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:06 PM   #100
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Its an endless debate. I dont give a fuck what you wear for protection. If the state mandates it, tough shit move some where else if you dont like it . If its legal for no helmet and you die at a 10 mph collision, to fucking bad, you had your choice.
Does any body have any crack to smoke while i dont wear my lid. Who gives a fuck?
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Old 12-12-2012, 04:37 PM   #101
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Its an endless debate. I dont give a fuck what you wear for protection. If the state mandates it, tough shit move some where else if you dont like it . If its legal for no helmet and you die at a 10 mph collision, to fucking bad, you had your choice.
Does any body have any crack to smoke while i dont wear my lid. Who gives a fuck?
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:05 PM   #102
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When we, as a nation, allow our rights to be defined by "what it might cost the government", we will cease to be a republic governed by the rule of law, as originally framed in the Constitution.


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Old 12-12-2012, 09:51 PM   #103
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The problem is you idiots expect the government and society to pay for your motorcycling/driving/being-a-fatass/leaving-the-house/leaving-the-couch/leaving-the-womb medical costs.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:33 PM   #104
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The guys who think they'll never be in an accident: You're delusional. Seriously. Go play golf in a lighting storm, drive your car across train tracks when the lights are blinking, run around the house with scissors in your hand, be sure to never use safety goggles around power tools, eat raw chicken uncooked like a man, be sure not to bother grounding your house wiring, blow your fiery mane (or beard) of hair while in the tub and while you're at it in bubbly bathtub bliss consider even more fun and creative ways to become a member of the Darwin Hall of Fame.
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Fair rant. I have the anti-rant but mine is much shorter.
Why do you think it should be your job (don't mean you specifically but metaphorically) to decide what protective gear another person wears while they perform a given task? You compared riding without a helmet to other activities (see blue above) There are no laws regulating apparel for those things.
Firstly, I don't view a helmet as "apparel". It's a safety device, similar to say a seat belt, ABS, shatter resistant windshields or headphones when hipsters are around.

I illustrated those things specially because while you're at liberty to attempt them as frequently and often as you'd like, signage, police or middle managers be damned, people generally elect not to because it's common knowledge they are the fast track to test your mortality.* Are you telling me that because you don't want to wear a helmet, that you think everyone should have the RIGHT to cross railroad tracks while the bells are blaring and lights blinking, without any sort of penalty? I don't care what they could possibly be wearing; it's not the thing to do


To be fair, I would be for helmetless states, if the following conditions were met in substance:
-- Novices, with less than 3 years of experience must wear a helmet. Registration sticker denotes this.
-- Mandatory safety classes for those wishing to be lid-free. License designation denotes this. (re: conceal carry permits in most states)
-- In an accident, the "other party" insurance only covers the hospital ride, no matter who is at fault. You're on your own after that.
-- You must claim that you ride a motorcycle without a helmet on your personal health insurance, with a premium increase to match. I don't know the cost increase, only the bean counters buried in the basement of some big insurance provider could divine this knowledge. There is already a mechanism for "high risk" activities.
-- If you promise to wear a helmet and protective gear, you will receive a discount on your health/driving insurance. Penalty enforcement (be creative) if you're caught cheating it.
-- If you have children that are legal dependents and receive any sort of government benefit program, or do not have complete health insurance and life insurance, helmet use is mandatory without exclusion. (You can go die, but they need to live)
-- If you're above 70, you may elect not to wear a helmet at all times. (Social Security needs a break, otherwise I'm never see any of the money I put in )


* Yes I did some joking too in the original list, nitpicking that is pointless.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:55 PM   #105
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"Right" to ride without a helmet? Dunno. I haven't seen that amendment to the constitution. Ditto seatbelts / driving, or any of the other conditions, requirements, or rules one is expected to meet or follow to operate any vehicle on a public roadway.
Those things not enumerated in The Constitution are left to The States.



We don't have federal driver's licenses. We don't have federal helmet laws. We don't have federal seat belt laws.
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