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Old 12-19-2012, 09:28 AM   #61
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I do have to wonder why so many "need" electric start? Are there that many people that can't kick over a small CC thumper ? Hell it only took five minutes to teach my then 12 year old daughter how to kick start a bike and my buddy's 3 year old son already hops up and down on his KTM's kicker. Hell, he probably would have started it on several occasions had the run switch been on. To me the notion of ditching the extra weight of the Estart as well as lessening a bikes complexity is a selling point , not a con.

Ideally, I would want both. E-Start for every day use, and the kick for emergency back up. (not that I've ever had an electric start bike ever fail, but I'm still old enough that it stays in the back of my mind)

Nah, for me, the final nail in the coffin for only kickstart, was my '91 DR350S.

OMG I hated that thing! It was the closest thing on this earth to nearly giving me a heart attack or brain embolism I've ever had, including bad girlfriends.

It was fine when cold. It was fine when hot. It was a very easy kick to light 'er up. But when it was luke warm, it would stall at the drop of a hat, and I could kick that f***ing thing until I was blue in the face and half dead, and it just wouldn't start. (and it sucked for trying to bump start that thing too)

I tried everything to make it better, but it would only make things worse for every other situation of riding, yet still be a pig when warm. The DR was about my 18th bike owned at that point, and I have nearly a million km's and over 40 years riding under my belt. (many of the bikes being kickstart only)

One of my other bikes I was riding at the time was an '82 Yamaha RD350LC two stroke. That bike, I could literally start with a lazy effort using my hand. Stalling out on the DR when I was late for work? Ugh, my blood pressure is going up just remembering, all these years later
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:29 AM   #62
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Kick start is for hipsters, along with film cameras, cigarettes, and moustaches.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:33 AM   #63
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Kick start is for dirt bikers, along with porn films that feature women, scars, and getting to actually touch boobies.


I agree.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:04 AM   #64
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I do have to wonder why so many "need" electric start? Are there that many people that can't kick over a small CC thumper ? Hell it only took five minutes to teach my then 12 year old daughter how to kick start a bike and my buddy's 3 year old son already hops up and down on his KTM's kicker. Hell, he probably would have started it on several occasions had the run switch been on. To me the notion of ditching the extra weight of the Estart as well as lessening a bikes complexity is a selling point , not a con.

I can tell you have never owned a cantanerous bitch of a bike with a kickstarter before....right?
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:07 AM   #65
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I can tell you have never owned a cantanerous bitch of a bike with a kickstarter before....right?
Absolutely and it su-ucks when they act up!!. I would hope that a fairly modern mc with EFI wouldn't be of that sort. I have also owned bikes that kick start so easily that I couldn't imagine having and Estart on them. On them it would seem like useless extra weight.
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:33 PM   #66
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I would want the button. Thought about buying one of these back in the day, but with no button, and everything else had the button - and memories of kicking myself into a massive sweat still fresh in my memory - no sale without the button.

I suspect that most of us would find this bike to be too small ergonomically, anyway. It may make a great bike for someone smaller of stature ( a woman, perhaps?) but that's just another reason why it should have the button.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:24 PM   #67
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I can tell you have never owned a cantanerous bitch of a bike with a kickstarter before....right?
This is a new bike with efi, what makes you think it will be hard to start?
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:41 PM   #68
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This is a new bike with efi, what makes you think it will be hard to start?

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Old 12-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #69
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Why are there so many sissies out there? If you can't kick it don't ride it. I rode XLCH Sportsters for years and Velocettes. All it takes is learning the starting drill and knowing your bike.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:54 PM   #70
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I owned a SR500 for many years. I think I worked on it more than I rode it.

I can't tell, is it Fuel Injected? IMO kick start only adds to the "uniqueness" of the bike. I like it a lot.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:16 PM   #71
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:45 PM   #72
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Heck, I kick started a 1964 Harley Panhead for several years. I wish i had it back.

Did you ever get it running? Most guys quit after 15-20 kicks!
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:28 PM   #73
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Kick starters are for the cheap asses who wont spend the 25 dollars on a battery tender, and the hipster dufus;s.

That yamaha SR400 looks sick, id hi it, if it had the magic button only of course.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:31 PM   #74
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That bike is just plain awesome. I am NOT a fan of EFI, but would take it to get that bike. I would also buy a brand new late '70s SR500. I have no idea why an "adventure rider" would have a problem with kick start. I have kick started a lot of bikes, though nothing larger than a 750 four. I had an XR500 that was very easy to kickstart, as well as a '66 Bonneville. The Bonneville had a starting routine, but once you learned it, it usually started in 1 or 2 kicks. I recently installed a kickstarter on my XT225, and no longer use the electric starter. I also had a Metro with a kickstarter, and rarely ever used it. Same with my Vino 125. Why? They put it on the wrong side. You have to start it before getting on. I do kickstart my Stella quite often, it's just more fun to kickstart a bike, it's what old guys like me consider part of the motorcycle experience.

I would also buy a new W650, W800, XS650, or GB500. I have given the current Bonneville a lot of thought, but it just lacks the character I want. The old SR500 and XS650 were both paint shakers, the new Bonnie is too smooth. Never got to check out a W650, W800, or GB500, But would buy one on looks alone.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:23 PM   #75
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Love the bike, and do not need electric start.
On a FI bike, one kick should do it every time, and it should not stall.

I would rather have 25 pounds off the bike and kick it.

A lot of these old Japanese designs use motors that are not balanced and they can vibrate a lot.
My TU250 is balanced and is smooth for a single, and you can scream it all day long in comfort, but some old bikes I have had would self destruct if run at high rpm's very long.

At sea level, in a 65 mph speed limit state that is flat, the TU does fine, but a 350 would be nice.
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