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Old 12-26-2012, 01:21 PM   #31
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Lane splitting is only a 1 point fine in Maryland. It is a 3 point ticket if you get in an accident while doing it.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:21 PM   #32
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I split almost every day around here. I don't recommend it. I've had to break a few more laws to get away from the vigilantes trying to chase me down and educate me on the law. I've been squeezed and bumped by cars. You keep moving and don't engage them and you're usually alright, but once a year i get some guy so mad about me filtering he takes to the ditch to pursue me.

You do it in these parts and you will have trouble with the general public. I choose to do it anyway.

Never once been stopped for it. Then again the cops around here have a no chase policy for bikes and probably figured i wasn't worth the time of lighting me up. Not that i would have ran anyway.


As other people in this thread have said if you're worried about lane splitting on a cross country trip, you're going to the wrong fucking places man.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:26 PM   #33
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passing on double yellow is legal in Vermont
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:31 PM   #34
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IMHO not using a turn signal is not only dangerous but qualifies you as a "self-entitled asshole".

Here in Southern California we have a very large immigrant population from all over the world and I believe they have brought their chaotic driving habits with them. Unfortunately, the native drivers have now adopted these habits.

It is truly frightening to drive here. You take your life in your hands any time you go out on the road.
I always found that SoCal drivers were fast, professional, and no-nonsense. I loved riding there. It's the only place I've seen where no one tries to jump the line where two lanes merge. It's very orderly. It may be in part to the "armed populace is a polite populace" mindset, but it worked for me.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:41 PM   #35
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I always found that SoCal drivers were fast, professional, and no-nonsense. I loved riding there. It's the only place I've seen where no one tries to jump the line where two lanes merge. It's very orderly. It may be in part to the "armed populace is a polite populace" mindset, but it worked for me.
That's the way is is here in L.A.. I suggest that all the people who think California drivers are bad go visit another large city. Boston for example is especially bad when it comes to merging and Miami drivers are random and unpredictable. In downtown Boston I had a scooter driver pass on the right while I was turning right, and 100 yards later do a u-turn from the curb just as I passed. Yeah, I hit him. Kucking fnucklehead
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #36
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Thanks

Gentlemen (and any incognito ladies)

I am a little overwhelmed by the number of responses. Thank you all. (This thread is not yet closed - we only start our trip in July)

I am truly thankful for the practical advice received and the humorous language in which some of it has been delivered. It has been really helpful and taken on board. The fundamental approaches to the issue would seem to be: Common sense rules, be careful and be considerate. Finally, watch out for those who consider themselves more entitled than others.

A general response to some of the comments made:

The proposed route (not even nearly finalised) is designed to avoid big cities. We will visit national parks, battlefields etc and get to see small town America, which is what too many visitors miss out on. So the need to filter should be minimal but it is something I do here in Australia and is the way I ride, hence my question. (It is illegal in Australia, but enforcement is sporadic.)

While I think of it, we do need to drive through Toronto and a view on the situation in Ontario would be appreciated.

The comment about filtering in places like Yellowstone did strike a chord, hence my comment above about being considerate.

Turn indicators being optional? That is scary! Human beings are not normally prescient.

And I will brush up on my accent!!

Thank you once again. Safe riding and a Happy New Year.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:43 PM   #37
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Toronto can be a problem on the 401 during the morning and evening rush hours. Chicago is horrendous no matter what time it is. Here in the Detroit area, it's not bad.

If you'll be carrying a small laptop, get and install the DeLorme Street Atlas USA Plus program. It's updated every year, and has a ton of information in addition to the detailed maps. If you're looking for a place to stay or eat or anything else, it's in there and searchable for the area you are in. It also has a GPS function, but you will need to get the edition that comes with a plug in GPS antenna. With this, you'll never be lost. http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELi...minisite=10020
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:31 PM   #38
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Where did that happen? I seriously doubt that was on the up and up if it happened the the US.

If he was in a "Non-Compact" State its very likely he was taken before the mag (judge) to pay the fine dressed as a "Bond" to ensure a court appearance.

There are still a few states that dont subscribe to "violators compact" which is a reciprical agreement between states to enforce drivers records, fines and warrants for traffic violations. Those that arent members have no real recourse once you are out of state lines so they want to get some assurance you will appear in court/pay the fine and will take you directly to the ATM or judge.

Odd bit of additional info but in Texas you can be arrested and placed in jail for ANY offense of the traffic code EXCEPT open container in a vehicle and speeding . And if you refuse to sign the citation these are open to "Instanter" (placing you in jail pending seeing the judge which can take from a couple of hours to a couple of days) .

While MOST of us arent pricks, please keep in mind that any vocation invites a few folks with delusions of power (Who shouldnt be in this business, but the Psych checks apparently missed them) so please be mindful that courtesy is a two way street, and can pay huge dividends.



Thread Hijack over aside from advise for any traveller to Texas.
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:21 PM   #39
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I always found that SoCal drivers were fast, professional, and no-nonsense. I loved riding there. It's the only place I've seen where no one tries to jump the line where two lanes merge. It's very orderly. It may be in part to the "armed populace is a polite populace" mindset, but it worked for me.
Ah... The Peepul's Republik of Kalifornia doesn't much like armed citizenry these days. That may explain the difference in what you remember and what others report...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:59 AM   #40
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Ever been in Vegas or Phoenix in the summer? You'll die if you just sit in traffic, it's expected but illegal, filter/split.
I've been riding Phoenix daily for 20 years... never filtered. People here already drive crazy enough.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:25 AM   #41
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What's with all of the "Americans are all self-entitled assholes on the highway" crap? I live/drive/ride on the west coast and find that other road users are, for the most part, quite polite. Don't impose your own asshole-ness on others.

The one thing you need to be aware of when riding in the US is that many drivers/riders consider turn signals "optional" - unlike a lot of other countries where you might actually get a ticket for not using them.
After attending the 2012 International Motorcycle Show in Seattle I feel a little different than Duck. The wife and I left the show on a Friday evening and it took us a hour to go from the Washington Convention Center to I-5. That is a grand distance of about four blocks to get lined up for the on ramp. Traffic was heavy but the big problem was the drives that would "block the intersection" to make sure they would move up one spot. We would often watch the signal light change twice before the cross traffic could move again. I did not witness those polite drives that Duck was telling us about.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:53 AM   #42
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After attending the 2012 International Motorcycle Show in Seattle I feel a little different than Duck. The wife and I left the show on a Friday evening and it took us a hour to go from the Washington Convention Center to I-5. That is a grand distance of about four blocks to get lined up for the on ramp. Traffic was heavy but the big problem was the drives that would "block the intersection" to make sure they would move up one spot. We would often watch the signal light change twice before the cross traffic could move again. I did not witness those polite drives that Duck was telling us about.
That is an event situation.


Why didn't you just split lanes and ride away? Surely you didn't DRIVE to a motorcycle show.

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Old 12-27-2012, 06:35 PM   #43
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That's the way is is here in L.A.. I suggest that all the people who think California drivers are bad go visit another large city.
That's been my experience too. The problem with LA is wayyyyyy too many people and cars, but they deal with it and handle it better than anywhere else I have been. Go to an East coast city, that has the equivalent traffic of say the 101 in Hollywood during rush hour, , and you will see screaming, yelling, horn honking, people frothing at the mouth, people cutting each other off, and of course plenty of ADV salutes!
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:24 PM   #44
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That is an event situation.
The event being "Friday".

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Why didn't you just split lanes and ride away? Surely you didn't DRIVE to a motorcycle show.
Hey, didn't see you there at all.

We drove. Dogs, kennels, etc. and all.
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:57 PM   #45
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And I will brush up on my accent!!

Thank you once again. Safe riding and a Happy New Year.
Lay it on thick. The thicker the better. Them damn ferrners don't know shit-nuthin ya know!

Bonus points (and maybe one less ticket) if you can bring up 'shrimp on the barbie' or other Aussie colloquialism that 'Outback restaurants' have made popular. Most small town cops have at least seen an Outback commercial whether they've eaten there or not.

Riding on the road's shoulder is somehow especially an egregious sin. Expect to have cars/trucks pull out and try and stop you from doing it.

In CO just north of Denver, there's usually a frontage road next to the interstate. Don't let a cop see you going over the grass strip between em. While I haven't been popped, I've seen the results of trying.

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