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Old 12-19-2012, 08:55 PM   #1
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Heated Jacket? 65 or 90 Watt?

I recently got a Firstgear heated jacket. I've been putting this off thinking I could get by with more layers. I gave in but I've been second guessing my decision after doing some post purchase research.
I got the 90 watt jacket, thinking it would pull less current if I turned it down. I'm sure it would be fine on the V-Strom at just about anything over idle. It would probably be too much for the DRZ or TU. Should I have gotten the 65 watt version. It is still new, and I can exchange it straight out from my local dealer.
I also got the single zone controller. Everything I've read since I bought it says the dual zone is much better. I don't have any heated gloves or pants, and haven't planned on adding any. But, heated gear may be the best investment I never knew I needed. This too is still in the package, and can be exchanged for the dual zone for the difference in price ($30, I think).
It's starting to look a lot like winter here, and should do the exchange soon so I can get some use out of the new gear.

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Old 12-20-2012, 04:47 AM   #2
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A PWM controller can make a 90W jacket act like a 65W jacket No controller can do the opposite.

I have a 90W jacket and like it.
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:36 AM   #3
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I have the 90w, BUT I cheaped out, have a single controller, no problem, except when the pants are worn, the top is significantly warmer than the pants. Looking back, I could have gotten the 65w and been better off. JFWIW
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Old 12-20-2012, 05:43 AM   #4
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Install a voltmeter on the bike, and just turn it down if needed.The controller will turn it down to the same as a 65 watt, or less, easily.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:18 AM   #5
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I have a 90 watt jacket and a dual controller, I'd suggest the same setup.

There are so many choices that influence how the gear works, does the bike have a fairing/hand fairings etc. On my xr400 I use a heated vest with no controller, it is somewhere around 55 watts and works great compared to no heat.

My 90 watt jacket under a snug fitting winter leather jacket is usually run on high, put the same setup under a pressure suit with a good windshell and high will cook you like a turkey, point I'm going for is every bike and setup is just enough different that you want choice/flexibility

I think you'll be real happy with the setup you bought, if you later add gloves my experience says a dual controller is better.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:22 PM   #6
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I have the 65w, & yet to need it turned all the way up. I'm wearing it under textile w/liner. The coldest I've been in so far is 30* F. YMMV
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:15 PM   #7
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I have the W&S 90W liner with gloves and the duel controller. When it is in the teens I will turn the liner up to maybe half way, and the gloves almost all the way up. I would probably be OK with the 65W jacket liner but I'm keeping the 90W unit. A neck sock/gator go a long way in keeping drafts from going down your neck - thus you warmer. Just my experience.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:51 PM   #8
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You should ask heat-troller_mike.

I thought the way the controller works is that when it's set at, for example, 50%, it would cycle the gear on and off several times a second, so that the total On time is 50% of the time. If so, then that means that when it is On, it's drawing the full load of power (i.e. 90W) - but only very briefly. That seems like it means the bike would need to be able to handle a 90W load, whether you ever run the jacket at 100% or not.

That said, I personally am all about future-proofing. So I got the WnS jacket liner and the dual remote controller. Then I ended up adding the WnS heated socks and I am glad I got the dual controller! I turn on the socks before I ever turn on the jacket and generally run them at a higher setting when they are both on.

ps. In case you didn't know, Warm n Safe makes the heated gear that First Gear sells. It's identical, just with the FG label on it.
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:46 PM   #9
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reguardless on what jacket you get, the power used to put you your "comfy zone" will be the same
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:10 PM   #10
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You should ask heat-troller_mike.

ps. In case you didn't know, Warm n Safe makes the heated gear that First Gear sells. It's identical, just with the FG label on it.

After doing my initial research, I went with the Firstgear for two reasons. The first was the many positive reveiws of it and the W&S, and second I have a well stocked semi local dealer. It does seem well built.
I think I may just stick with what I got. If I need the 2 zone later, I guess I can sell the single. Until then, I'm not out the extra few dollars or the trip back to the store to exchange it.

I think I may hook it up to my power supply with a watt meter hooked up in line and see exactly what it is pulling at different power levels.
I thought of doing this earlier, but didn't want to take it out of the package if I was going to need to exchange any of it.

I may have a bit of time this weekend, if I'm lucky.

Also, does anyone know how many "spare" watts a DRZ puts out.

Thanks, Ryan
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:20 AM   #11
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After doing my initial research, I went with the Firstgear for two reasons. The first was the many positive reveiws of it and the W&S, and second I have a well stocked semi local dealer. It does seem well built.
I think I may just stick with what I got. If I need the 2 zone later, I guess I can sell the single. Until then, I'm not out the extra few dollars or the trip back to the store to exchange it.

I think I may hook it up to my power supply with a watt meter hooked up in line and see exactly what it is pulling at different power levels.
I thought of doing this earlier, but didn't want to take it out of the package if I was going to need to exchange any of it.

I may have a bit of time this weekend, if I'm lucky.

Also, does anyone know how many "spare" watts a DRZ puts out.



Thanks, Ryan
A couple of things, first the DRZ puts out 200 watts not as much as I would like but after making a few changes on the bike it works out OK with my heated gear.I changed out the headlight to an HID, a nice savings of 35 watts or so from my Halogen bulb (plus twice the light). Changed my rear stop/running light to LED another nice savings. And lastly ran 14 gauge wires directly from the regulator to the battery bypassing the poor OEM wiring and plugs.

I run a 75 watt jacket and 17 watt gloves with no problem now, my newly installed voltage indicator never drops below 12.5 volts. And to be on the safe side I shut everything down 5 minutes before I get to my destination.

When you check your current draw test it when riding if you can, I know my setup draws very little juice when standing still when I'm on the bike and the wind and cold are blowing through my jacket that's when you see the real draw,

If you're really worried. get the kick start option for the DRZ, around $200, something I have been thinking about.


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Old 12-21-2012, 03:34 AM   #12
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I have been looking at the cheaper end heated vests. I don't usually go on long fast rides, I do stuff like ride dirt roads to a singletrack area, ride, camp, then ride home. My time at high speed on pavement is not much but my time at 35-40 mph on dirt roads followed by some tight singletrack is alot. I just hate to invest in an expensive setup when I know I'll likely tear it mess it up somehow.

I have been looking at some cheapie heated vests from Sportsman's Guide and Cheaper than Dirt for around 50 bucks, but they all seem to only heat the back area which would be ok for me. I'll have layers and a heavy riding jacket over the vest to keep the heat in. Often I overheat rather than get too cold whenever I hit the slow trails.

Anyone try any of the inexpensive vests? Any to stay away from?
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:45 AM   #13
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I thought the way the controller works is that when it's set at, for example, 50%, it would cycle the gear on and off several times a second, so that the total On time is 50% of the time. If so, then that means that when it is On, it's drawing the full load of power (i.e. 90W) - but only very briefly. That seems like it means the bike would need to be able to handle a 90W load, whether you ever run the jacket at 100% or not.
It is true that at 50% the jacket will draw 90W when on and 0W when off. If your charging system cannot supply the entire 90W then the battery will supply the difference. The charging system needs to only supply the average or net power draw (plus a little more) or just over 45W in this example. The battery will smooth out the voltage changes if the changes are fast enough -- kind of like a shock absorber on small road irregularities. If you use a switch to manually turn the jacket on and off, the voltage will change -- the same way a shock absorber cannot smooth the road rising and falling over longer distances.

A PWM controller with high frequency makes the changes mostly invisible to your battery and charging system.

I use a 90W jacket at full power on bikes with 210W and 280W alternators. On a bike with a 170W alternator I can draw the battery voltage down low enough that the alternator takes a while to charge it back up.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:05 AM   #14
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I picked up a used Gerbings heated jacket LINER, and wear it under a Darien. I don't have ANY controller, and just run it flat out/wide open on my KLR, with no problems. I just flip the inline lighted switch off for awhile if I get too warm. Not a problem. Even the collar is heated. I rode 135 miles on Thanksgiving up here--- it snowed. I was toasty.

Gerbings got good gear me thinks...
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:46 AM   #15
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Jgas.... I don't remember the cost, I think it was over $100. my heated vest is made in Canada by Black Jack and the plug is the same as a battery tender and it plugs directly into the pigtail on the bike which makes no controller necessary.

If I recall it's about 55 watts and it's a robust, high quality product. I use it on an old xr400 with a baja designs dual sport kit. The battery pack is a small rechargeable unit designed to pass the dmv requirements and has no useable function beyond that.

I've run hundreds "actually thousands" of miles with this setup on and while the headlight is pretty useless while running the vest, the heat is enough to make a huge difference on late season trips when it's cold in the mornings and evenings.

I really like the vest, on my local commuter bike which has a big afterrmarket electrical system I still use my gen 4 jacket only because the wiring in the sleeves makes the use of heated gloves easier. If not for that detail I would choose the vest over the jacket liner everytime because it layers much easier, puts out a nice amount of heat an rolls into a tight bundle that slides into a small pocket on the vest that carrys my tools etc on offroad rides.

If I recall Black Jack makes their gear inhouse on vancouver island "don't quote me on that because I'm not sure, this was an impulse purchase on a road trip in BC" they are made in suit sizes so you can get one that fits well.
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