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Old 01-09-2013, 09:15 AM   #76
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Sport is, inherently, trivial. Not necessary.
Why is caring for your health trivial and not necessary to you? Is that an American thing?


And why the hell have transportation, sport and entertainment to be mutually exclusive to so many of you?
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:23 AM   #77
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Motorsports are sports. Whether you treat your daily riding like a sport or not is up to you.

Driving an automatic E-Class with a soggy drivetrain on a road with a speed limit is difficult to turn into sport, per se.

Driving my stick Golf at the absolute limits of its underpowered drivetrain on an unlimited stretch is sport. I get bruises.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:51 AM   #78
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Motorsports are sports. Whether you treat your daily riding like a sport or not is up to you.

Driving an automatic E-Class with a soggy drivetrain on a road with a speed limit is difficult to turn into sport, per se.

Driving my stick Golf at the absolute limits of its underpowered drivetrain on an unlimited stretch is sport. I get bruises.
Then sensible commuting via motorcycle need not be a sport, yes?


Referring to all motorcycling as a sport (rather than spirited riding as sport riding) can only damage relations with nonriders, particularly those behind the wheel of a squadcar, the keyboard at an insurance office, or holding a pen in a state legislature.

But go ahead - you can keep your word. I can't take it from you, I can just call you shortsighted and inaccurate for using it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:28 AM   #79
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When the motorcycle industry collapses due to lack of demand, then used bikes will get really cheap.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:42 AM   #80
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Sorry, I'm trying to understand your point but have no idea where "trivial" came from in the definition of sport, or where that term applies to something that's a passion/sport for many here.

www.dictionary.com
Sport [spawrt, spohrt] noun
1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

My points were and still are:

1. Motorcycling doesn't have to be racing to be a sport; YES it does.
Oh, and BTW, apologies to the OP and others for the hijack
Because the only part of the definition that could possibly apply is highlighted in yellow.

Stop with the "BTW" and Just already.

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Only Poseurs and Racers look at it as a Sport. Which are you?

So... If you are not a racer then you must be a....
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:56 AM   #81
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go to any track day and I see plenty of young folks
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:11 PM   #82
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I blame it entirely on the cost of buying a new motorcycle these days. They are getting way too expensive. Younger people don't have the income to buy these things anymore.
I disagree with this statement. Of course depending on your location a motorcycle is much cheaper form of transportation than a car.

New car costs avg. around $25K insurance is $100 a month, and it gets an mpg avg of 25 (of course this is all reletive)
Maintenance on the car costs around $500 a year, this factors in tires, oil changes, brakes, ect..

New bike costs avg. around $9000 if your not buying a Harley, Insurance is about the same, Avg. mpg is around 45 with some going very high, and maintenance is about the same. Add gear for $1500

If you live in a climate that allows for year round riding, IE no Ice and snow. Then the motorcycle is clearly a cheaper way to get around.

If you look at the used market you can get a decent running bike that is capable of sustaining highway speeds for less than $2300. Add a decent helmet $150, a decent used jacket and pants $250 max, and some rain wear if the jacket and pants aren't waterproof. And you still come out with a dirt cheap mode of transportation. It costs pennies per day to opperate.

I know because I did this for 3 years, only having my 92 yamaha XJ600 to get me to work, college, and abroad. I paid $1050 for the bike and have only put around $500 into it, maintenance wise in the last 3 years.

Of course if you do not live in a climate where there is no snow/ice like where I moved to now, you kinda have to have a car.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:25 PM   #83
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Then sensible commuting via motorcycle need not be a sport, yes?
Not at all.

Sure, riding can be a sport. But only when you want it to be. Otherwise, it's transportation. Or testing out your latest mod. Or looking cool on sunday afternoon in the park. Or whatever you want it to be.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:16 PM   #84
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Because the only part of the definition that could possibly apply is highlighted in yellow.

Stop with the "BTW" and Just already.




So... If you are not a racer then you must be a....
Wow. High marks for intelligent, broad-minded comments.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:21 PM   #85
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How is it that such an innocent comment as calling 'motorcycling' a 'sport', invites so many strong opinions?
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:55 PM   #86
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If you live in a climate that allows for year round riding, IE no Ice and snow. Then the motorcycle is clearly a cheaper way to get around.
only if your motorcycle is less than 500cc and your comparing it to a 3/4 ton pickup


compare a 600cc or larger bike to an economy car, the car wins with lower cost per mile every day of week
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:26 PM   #87
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Wow. High marks for intelligent, broad-minded comments.
We'll just put you in the "not a racer" category then.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:31 PM   #88
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We'll just put you in the "not a racer" category then.
And then you'd be wrong again.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:34 PM   #89
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I'm twenty six and been riding for well over ten years, only the last four years have I passed my test and got onto bigger bikes.

One problem is too much redtape surrounding tests and motorcycle ownership which really doesn't help the situation. Most of my peers look into sitting their bike tests and are forever scratching their heads to the regulations. I totally agree, life is already complicated enough. Why make motorcycle freedom more complicated than it should be? FFS relax the rules abit. Make it more accessible to the masses for the industry's benefit!

The costs involved in basic training aswell is totally unfair, I got in there early but prices have doubled in the last four years. Instructors have priced the training so it's now out of reach from the average joe. And is now more of a luxury for the well off as so to speak.

As for fuel prices fluctuating, lets not forget you need to remember cars are forever getting more and more economical aswell, motorcycles will never replace cars solely based on fuel economy. I'd say the Nissan I drive is more economical than my 2008 FZ1N as an example. Keeps me sheltered from the environment, moves my dogs around etc etc.

Motorcycles are just not playing such an important role as they use to in modern society and have no where near the importance as they did back in the day. Sadly, most people wont have that kind of exposure to the enjoyment from the interest to spur them on.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:40 PM   #90
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And then you'd be wrong again.
So... What do you race?
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