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Old 09-10-2014, 09:46 AM   #1
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Diesel SUV's in the US?

I like my H6 Outback a lot, but someday I'll need a new car. I've driven our work Chevrolet Cruze Turbodiesels quite a bit and like them a lot.

There are starting to be more diesel SUV's on the market. The majority of them are the megabuck German luxury models. Not sure if there are any diesel wagons in the US market.

I can't see putting a wet Labrador Retriever, and outboard motor and six bags of sand in the back of a $70,000 car. And the Germans still seem to have an uneasy relationship with electrons.

Anyone have a "working" SUV mit diesel? What has your experience been?
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Old 09-10-2014, 10:51 AM   #2
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The Jeep Grand Cherokee is available in diesel, but they aren't a whole lot cheaper that the German rigs.. and I bet the depreciation curve on them is steeper than the Germans...

http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/grand-ch...eep-cherry-red

Audi, BMW, MB & Land Rover all have them here... but I think the Jeep GC is the only domestic...

Why there is not a Toyota Highlander diesel (or other diesel mid-size Japanese SUV) is beyond me...
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Old 09-10-2014, 10:56 AM   #3
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Why there is not a Toyota Highlander diesel (or other diesel mid-size Japanese SUV) is beyond me...

Toyota is committed to the hybrid, and so far you can't really say they picked the wrong path.
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Old 09-10-2014, 11:12 AM   #4
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I just picked up a GLK 250 Bluetec for the wife last month. Small 4 cylinder turbo-charged engine. It has great power for a 4 cylinder. So far gas mileage is really nice, over 30mpg. Have to see how it stands up over time.

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Old 09-10-2014, 11:17 AM   #5
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Why there is not a Toyota Highlander diesel (or other diesel mid-size Japanese SUV) is beyond me...
The 2L Subaru H4 turbodiesel in the Outback in Europe and Australia has 150hp and 260 ft lbs of torque. Not sold in US......

It is available with CVT and manual trans there and in Australia.
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Old 09-10-2014, 11:20 AM   #6
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Jeep GC as mentioned.

The Wrangler is supposedly going to be sold in NA with the same V6 diesel now available in the GC and 1500 Ram in the next year...(holding breath).

VW Tiguan is also supposed to be available with the TDI in 2015.
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Old 09-10-2014, 11:46 AM   #7
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I bought a new 06 Jeep Liberty CRD and had it lemon lawed. Biggest POS I've ever owned.
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Old 09-10-2014, 12:03 PM   #8
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Toyota is committed to the hybrid, and so far you can't really say they picked the wrong path.
True enough... except on the 150k+ end of the life span...

Which would you think would have a better resale value and overall relaibility, all other things being equal: a 150,000 mile diesel Highlander or 150,000 hybrid Highlander??

I'm not saying that it is the wrong... but man...
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Old 09-10-2014, 12:04 PM   #9
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I bought a new 06 Jeep Liberty CRD and had it lemon lawed. Biggest POS I've ever owned.
Yeah.. then there is that situation..
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Old 09-10-2014, 12:14 PM   #10
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The Mazda CX-5 offers a 2.2L diesel outside of the US. Even though diesel engines get better mpg, with the cost of diesel fuel more expensive will car/ small suv diesels ever be popular in the US?
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Old 09-10-2014, 12:43 PM   #11
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The Mazda CX-5 offers a 2.2L diesel outside of the US. Even though diesel engines get better mpg, with the cost of diesel fuel more expensive will car/ small suv diesels ever be popular in the US?
Let's compare cars (these are my own verifyied mpg, and fuel prices from fill up last night):

2015 Mazda6: 32.5 mpg. Say 500 miles per week. Gas = $3.30/gal = $50.82 per week.

2012 Jetta TDI: 44.0 mpg. Also 500 miles per week. Diesel = $3.80/gal = $43.32

So a savings of $7.50, but with way more torque = more smiles.
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You also have to factor in the cost of upgrading to a diesel engine.
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Let's compare cars (these are my own verifyied mpg, and fuel prices from fill up last night):

2015 Mazda6: 32.5 mpg. Say 500 miles per week. Gas = $3.30/gal = $50.82 per week.

2012 Jetta TDI: 44.0 mpg. Also 500 miles per week. Diesel = $3.80/gal = $43.32

So a savings of $7.50, but with way more torque = more smiles.
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I like my H6 Outback a lot, but someday I'll need a new car. I've driven our work Chevrolet Cruze Turbodiesels quite a bit and like them a lot.

There are starting to be more diesel SUV's on the market. The majority of them are the megabuck German luxury models. Not sure if there are any diesel wagons in the US market.

I can't see putting a wet Labrador Retriever, and outboard motor and six bags of sand in the back of a $70,000 car. And the Germans still seem to have an uneasy relationship with electrons.

Anyone have a "working" SUV mit diesel? What has your experience been?
I have a 2006 Jeep Liberty with a CRD. It's a fantastic rig. Tows 6,000 lbs and gets decent (20 or so) MPG.

They only made it for two years and it represents about 7% of total production for this body style.
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Old 09-10-2014, 02:23 PM   #14
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You also have to factor in the cost of upgrading to a diesel engine.
which is worth about 7 years of gas
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Old 09-10-2014, 02:34 PM   #15
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I preface this with the fact that I love diesels and really wanted it to work out as like many people I find value in them, they are cool, and frankly want one just because I want one sometimes.

But...

For most it just does not make sense with they way all the companies are charging such a premium on the diesel motor upgrade, the price of diesel being higher, the price of maintenance being higher (particularly fuel filters darn near every oil change and they are normally turbo and those need more attention also to stay right) and there being so many instances of gas motors closing the mpg gap on the diesels. Like the Cruze ECO vs Diesel, suvs like the CX5 that are getting mid thirties on gas, and even VW's own cars have closed the gap compared to say 5 years ago.

If you are going to keep the vehicle for a very long time it may be worthwhile as you may eventually make the money back if you luck up and get a particularly reliable one (long after the car is paid off probably). Most don't keep their cars that long anyway and even if the the diesel is superior in its lifespan the rest of the car will be coming apart if you go German (everything electrical) and Chrysler (everything around the motor).

Probably only really makes sense right now if you are hauling a lot of weight, very often in a truck.
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