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Old 01-15-2013, 09:27 AM   #16
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I have never heard of the TET trail.Would you be kind enough to give me some info?
Thanks,Tim.

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:40 AM   #17
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:38 PM   #18
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I am down in southern CT and not much around here other than unpaved town roads especially Westchester county area.

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Old 01-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #19
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OP, who is not experienced in off-pavement riding, is called upon to select a bike based on what kind of riding he will be doing. Kind of a "Catch 22" situation.

KLR is a fine bike for dirt ROADS but can be a chore on actual TRAILS depending on how rought they are. OTOH it is a fine bike for pavement runs to get to the dirt roads.

DRZ is much better on on actual trails, and fine on dirt roads. Can be iffy for long pavement runs depending on sprockets since it suffers from lack of a 6th gear (or wider ratios in the 5 it has). Stock sprockets are too stiff for actual gnarly trails, but gear it down for trails and it is too buzzy for comfortable highway use.

DR650 is a bit better in the woods and still not so bad on the highway.

If OP is mostly going to be on roads and dirt ROADS a KLR is a fine bike. This is the classic dualsport compromise. I have had two DRZs and have a 2012 now, geared WAY down for trails; I only use if for short-range local pavement, but I have always had multiple bikes. If I want to go anywhere that requires much pavement to get there, that's why I have a KTM 990. But OTOH that bike is way to heavy for much in the way of actual trails; I have done it but it is too much work.

I have often had three bikes just due to the dualsport compromise. Like I've had an Aprilia RXV-550. And a BMW F650 GS. And a V-Strom 1000. And a street legal GasGas 200EC (2-stroke). There is no single dualsport bike that is perfect for all conditions.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:39 PM   #20
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So here are my craigslist finds in my area:
  • 2005 KLR650 4k miles $3200
  • 2005 KLR650 25k miles $2100
  • 2003 KLR650 14k miles $2500
  • 2000 KLR650 28k miles $1800
  • 1987 KLR650 $1000
  • 2005 DR650 3k miles $3000
  • 2004 XR650L 2k miles $3200
  • 2002 XR650L 3k miles $Make Offer
  • 2001 XR650L 8k miles $2300
  • 2006 DRZ400S 3k miles $3200
  • 2001 DRZ400S 3k miles $2750
  • 2001 DRZ400S 8k miels $2300
  • 2000 DRZ400S 3k miles $2750

ughh I don't know...
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:06 AM   #21
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First, you should decide what type of riding you'd like to do? What about budget?
Are you planning to take weekend-long "adventure" rides? Or are you trying to find local single-track?
As was suggested earlier, different bikes are suited for different things. Also, There are plenty of other choices if you are willing to look outside the KLR/DR/DRZ box.

Start by taking a a look at some bikes, sitting on them, and what sings to you.
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Old 01-17-2013, 05:16 AM   #22
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yaaa what Liza said....... go sit and try some of this bikes i myself have 3 bikes 09 lkx250s nice little d/s trail bike with 6 speeds,so it can do some highway and not a problem on street, can do single track no problem, 09 klr 650 if i know im going on long adventure rides,dirt road exploring,can do single track i have done it just not the tough tight stuff and my trusty 08 honda xr650l, the does it all d/s not bad on the road or highway awesome on dirt roads and can do single track....... good luck

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Old 01-17-2013, 05:43 AM   #23
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So here are my craigslist finds in my area:
  • 2005 KLR650 4k miles $3200
  • 2005 KLR650 25k miles $2100
  • 2003 KLR650 14k miles $2500
  • 2000 KLR650 28k miles $1800
  • 1987 KLR650 $1000
  • 2005 DR650 3k miles $3000
  • 2004 XR650L 2k miles $3200
  • 2002 XR650L 3k miles $Make Offer
  • 2001 XR650L 8k miles $2300
  • 2006 DRZ400S 3k miles $3200
  • 2001 DRZ400S 3k miles $2750
  • 2001 DRZ400S 8k miels $2300
  • 2000 DRZ400S 3k miles $2750

ughh I don't know...
Get the DR650. You don't yet know what kind of off-pavement riding you like best cuz ya haven't done it yet so how could you. As good a compromise as any. All the 650 singles are compromises, to much for serious trail use, too little for major highway use. Get it, ride it, decide if that's good for you or if you want to go up or down in size/weight.

I am leaning toward the DR as it is a little better on the trail than the KLR and you already ride street. IIRC, DRZs got some upgrades as of 2002 so don't go for '01 or earlier, but if I have that wrong I expect someobdy here will correct me.

For a first dirt ride WHY make the effort to go "outside the box". The more common bikes are easy to obtain parts & service for, are economical having been manufactured with large production runs for many years, and generally have a good choice of aftermarket accesories and/or an established body of knowledge as to how to make things work. Don't make this harder than it is.

No need to go exotic on a learning and/or try-it-to-see-if-you-like-that-kind-of-riding bike.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:45 AM   #24
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I didn't see "exotic" anyplace

I get KTM and Husky parts as fast or faster than any Japanese parts...and they're easier to work on, as well as being far better performing/holding up better to dirt use.

I agree that a 50/50 bike would likely suit you well right now...but there's more to life than KLR650's and DR650's and XR650L's

"dirt noob" thread in thumpers
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:52 AM   #25
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To the OP...

In general, there's many many miles of dirt roads in State Forests to get started on. Get some miles on the clock, then start hanging out with other riders. You'll inevitably find some local unmaintained (legal) roads and lesser-known paths that doesn't trigger an automatic 911 call from locals. Make connections, build trust. Dual-sport riders are FAR better off compared to troubles the Jeep/4x4 and ATV communities face.

Bike- depends on your bodily dimensions and how far away your target riding areas are. I'm 150lbs and 5' 10"- a 250 is nice and light for me with enough displacement for the mass on top it, but the KLX250S I'm on is not exactly fun to ride for an hour at steady speeds of 50-60mph. I live in the middle of all my riding areas, so no need for highway concerns. Perfect on trails, though. It's a balance. Go ride a bunch of different bikes and one will stick to you. Eventually you'll end up with a trail bike and another more pavement-worthy bike.

Also consider what you get for the price in a trail-oriented bike: electric start is cheating- but really nice, fuel injection is just awesome to turn the key and go. But you can't knock the simplicity of a kick-start, air-cooled bike. Again, a balance. Next to KLX250S I got, the WR250R was the next candidate along with a few different Husqvarnas. The 2013 CRF-250L looks really nice, too.

Kind of hard to mess it up. Get a new bike, its like Christmas morning every day you take it out.

Gear is another consideration- summer is easy, spring and winter definitely drop the $ on waterproof & breathable gloves and boots.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:53 AM   #26
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I'd like to budget 2-3k on just the bike for now. Like mentioned, if I like d/sing I can sell it down the road for something better. I think based on what was mentioned here for riding areas (mostly central and northern CT), I'm looking at a 1-2 hr commute to just find some good off-roading.
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I'd like to budget 2-3k on just the bike for now. Like mentioned, if I like d/sing I can sell it down the road for something better.....
Yeah, don't make it a big project to find the highest performance bike made, when you're not even sure what kind of riding you will end up doing, or if you even like it.

In general, and not just for bikes (but especially for bikes) "performance" is at odds with both price and longevity. You won't be competitive in "A" or even "B" level Enduro on a DRZ when KTMs predominate around here. And you won't even make it around the course on either a KLR 650 or DR 650.

But you're not racing (yet) and to just try things out with a lot of pavement in the mix, the typical inside-the-box bikes have been popular for good reason. Cheap, long-lived, decent service intervals. Don't be led astray by the bike snobs. For price versus age-mileage-condition you will do fine with any of the standard basic bikes you have been considering.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:45 AM   #28
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...Don't be led astray by the bike snobs...
So sayeth the bike snob from atop his exotic KTM.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:23 AM   #29
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My plan is to see a few of these bikes (DRZ, XRL & DR) this weekend to get a better idea of what I want.

bobnoxious67 I appreciate your view, but for now not knowing if I'll like D/S'ing and what kind of riding I'll be doing for sure... I'd rather start on a cheaper and more available machine.
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My plan is to see a few of these bikes (DRZ, XRL & DR) this weekend to get a better idea of what I want.

bobnoxious67 I appreciate your view, but for now not knowing if I'll like D/S'ing and what kind of riding I'll be doing for sure... I'd rather start on a cheaper and more available machine.
And I support that opinion and decision.

Just don't let your judgement on "knowing if I'll like D/S'ing and what kind of riding I'll be doing" be decided by the bike you choose to buy (if you buy a heavy under-acheaver, you may "decide" dirt riding sucks)

Good luck, and hope to see you on the trails soon
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