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Old 01-25-2013, 04:05 PM   #61
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I like the Ulysses too. Only a little more weight (30#?) than the Multistrsda 620 and a bunch more power. Having a Harley based motor would be a trip after all my years of dissing them. I sure as hell would like to ride one to see what they are like.

O, look there's one for sale here too - and under budget.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858163

Another example of a fine bike that's up my alley for under $5K. I don't understand the non-believers.

Edit - O, lookie here's another.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858110
The Uly gets good reviews and people that own them seem to like them. The concern on gravel would be the fuel in frame and oil in swingarm, weak points in the event of a spill, and the rake (22degrees) is fairly steep offroad. But for under 5k the multi, uly, etc, you cant really go wrong.

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Old 01-25-2013, 06:19 PM   #62
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The kind of thing I'm wanting is: Not too fat (< 400#).
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I like the Ulysses too. Only a little more weight (30#?) than the Multistrsda 620 and a bunch more power. Having a Harley based motor would be a trip after all my years of dissing them. I sure as hell would like to ride one to see what they are like.

O, look there's one for sale here too - and under budget.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858163

Another example of a fine bike that's up my alley for under $5K. I don't understand the non-believers.

Edit - O, lookie here's another.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=858110
Gee I dunno why? A quick search finds this:

How big is the 2010 Buell Ulysses XB12XT Motorcycle?
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2010 Buell Ulysses XB12XT Motorcycle dimensions:
Length: 91.3 in
Seat Height: 30.7 in
Width: 39.6 in
Wheelbase: 53.9 in
Weight: 465 lbs

Ducati Multistrada 620 Specifications - . Trail: 3.6 inch. Seat height: 32.7 inch. Weight. Curb weight: 438.7 lbs
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:33 PM   #63
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2006 Buell Ulysses dry weight = 425# http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/bue...xb12x_2006.php

2006 Ducati 620 Multistrada dry weight = 402# As quoted in this thread.

2012 650 V Strom curb weight = 472# http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%...50A.aspx#Specs







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Old 01-26-2013, 07:30 AM   #64
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Those multistradas look really cool I never realized you can get one for that little money. My concern would be servicing costs and the comfort level of those seats.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:54 AM   #65
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Some nice ones FS here:

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/3562275721.html

http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/3554643076.html

http://orlando.craigslist.org/mcy/3533823282.html

http://jackson.craigslist.org/mcy/3564054142.html
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:05 PM   #66
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Gran Canyon, pros and cons

I've had a Gran Canyon for about 7 years and have ridden it across all kinds of terrain. It's a super sweet bike and most folks who have had one miss it when they sold it. Here are a few thoughts:

Pros: Great motor, durable, strong but not overpowering, smooth running, easy to ride fast. Great six speed tranny also.
Decent fuel range. Motor and tranny parts are easy to source from Ducati.
Very capable on most any roads, although I avoid sand and mud whenever possible. Tire selection makes a big difference.
Fuel injection works really well.
Good brakes.
Super comfortable ride. I've done 700 mile days. Two up is easy. Will cruise at 90 all day long.
Ducati's sound cool.

It's definitely different, you'll get lot's of " uhh, what izzzat?"

Careful shopping and one can be had for under 4K.

Meh: Suspension doesn't offer much adjustment, non in front, but it's pretty well sorted and adequate for me.

Cons: Pain in the ass to adjust rear valves, must disassemble the motorcycle. Weak wiring, need to be monitored and repaired occasionally. Chassis and plastic parts are unobtanium or at least difficult to source. Very limited aftermarket support. Heavyish, but about average for bikes this size. Not a great standing riding position, forces you a little forward over the bars, more than I like. Perhaps taller bars , more set back or something, but I just don't stand up much. Feels much lighter than the girlie Tigers although spec sheets list them as very similar. Not for single track unless you're a he-man rider. I am not.

Search my old posts for pictures. Good luck.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:02 PM   #67
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I would like to try a 796 powerplant in a Gran Canyon, should drop 30 lbs i suspect, but deliver same or more power, highly doubt it could be done for 5 large tho, even if you did the work. I may try it in mine someday.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:08 PM   #68
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Those multistradas look really cool I never realized you can get one for that little money. My concern would be servicing costs and the comfort level of those seats.
check the expanding fuel tank issues on the Multis for some years - one of the reasons I avoided them. A defect I the plastic formulation causes them to swell irreversibly.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:25 PM   #69
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check the expanding fuel tank issues on the Multis for some years - one of the reasons I avoided them. A defect I the plastic formulation causes them to swell irreversibly.
That's a valid point -- and partially while I suggested the OP visit multistrada.net

I actually pulled my tank today to perform maintenance and took the tank to the dealer to initiate the replacement process. The tank appears to meet the criteria but we'll have to wait and see (decision should take just a few days). Will likely have the new tank coated. Owners have until Aug or Sept (I would have to check the docs for the the specific date) to have the tank 'corrected', if necessary.

So, yes, this is an issue with some Ducati's and but as long as you are educated on the issue and know the history of the bike, it shouldn't prevent ownership.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:24 PM   #70
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2006 Buell Ulysses dry weight = 425# http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/bue...xb12x_2006.php

2006 Ducati 620 Multistrada dry weight = 402# As quoted in this thread.

2012 650 V Strom curb weight = 472# http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%...50A.aspx#Specs
The DL 650 is WET weight + all fluids. You can add at least 25kg to the other two , which admitted don't get them up to Mr Porky :), but gets them a fair bit closer. The DL is still more likely the one you'd get to ride home from your adventure as well (as compared to it being on the back of a truck)


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Old 01-27-2013, 06:56 AM   #71
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Fluids don't add up to 55#, that's over 7 gallons. The tank has 4 gallons when full, which it's not, most of the time. I don't think the oil and other fluids would even add another gallon. No water to add, remember. So that's 5 gallons max., unless I missing something. Fluids weigh about 7.5#/gal. So even w/ a full tank of fuel, that's +37# over dry weight.

Anyhow, the real point is that the 620 Multistrada is not much over my less than 400# wish (which was obviously overly optimistic). The next lightest 2 are the 1000 M/S and the Ulysess. All the others are 475# and up which I don't want. Unfortunately, the Gran Canyon falls into this group.

The expanding tank issue is genuine, but over blown. I had another Ducati w/ the same problem. I added some spacers and longer bolts to the tank mounting pucks, problem solved. Ducati will warrant the tanks too, but I didn't have a close by dealer.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:03 AM   #72
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My buddy has a 620 MS. It has a surprisingly strong, linear torque pull. Definitely worthy of a test ride. Feels very light and nimble.

The bike you are trying to find is the bike I hoped Ducati would have made instead of the Hyperstrada (which is clearly street-oriented). If they would have put the 796 2V motor into a package with less plastic, better engine protection, 19" front wheel, longer travel suspension and strong subframe they could have gotten a lot of adv rider interest. Basically an updated Grand Canyon.... oh well, missed opportunity imho.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:59 AM   #73
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Fluids don't add up to 55#, that's over 7 gallons. The tank has 4 gallons when full, which it's not, most of the time. I don't think the oil and other fluids would even add another gallon.
Some manufacturers have funny ways to calculate "dry weight", the bikes, especially sportsbikes, are really stripped down, and don´t even have the battery, when they´re weighed.

At least all Japanese manufacturers have agreed, that curb weight is the one, that should be published (which is correct). Everything except accessories in it, and with full tank of fuel.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:28 AM   #74
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I know different manufacturers come up w/ their listed weights differently - some more "real world" than others. Doesn't change the fact that the 620 MS indeed close to 400# and most of the others aren't - esp. the Japanese ones. How do they make a VStrom 650 and Versys 650 outweigh a Ulysses?
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:56 PM   #75
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Hello SRG. Weight is added to keep things strong and strate in the frame and head stock which adds to durability in the event of mishaps. The large steel fuel tanks and emission exshaust systems add some pounds as well, being that this is what North American automotive standards wan'ts.

I gueass this is the reason that some bikes are heaveier. It is to do with reliability, durability, and safety. Some places in the world don't have our standers, and I'm glad I live here and pay more to have this stuff. I would love to have a light bike, but not to the point that my life is put on the line, and just on the line does not work for me when 88 000 lbs is behide me !!!

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