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Old 12-15-2013, 07:45 AM   #1
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Ontario to lose thousands of km's of trails?






This was brought to my attention

Very real potential here to lose access to thousands of km's of trails in Ontario


Not sure who we should be calling or emailing to freak out on...
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:07 AM   #2
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Are you talking about the same issue the sled clubs were facing, the power line corridors?
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:28 AM   #3
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:08 AM   #4
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Are you talking about the same issue the sled clubs were facing, the power line corridors?
The question period clip was just talking about snowmoblie clubs and cost but Deadly is correct... it will close trails to a lot of off road machines(dirt bikes, ATV's UTV's maybe even bicyles and say horses)
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:21 AM   #5
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ok my 1991 flashplayer doesnt show the video

http://ontarioconditions.com/forums/...-use-proposal/
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:39 AM   #6
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Its been going around the sled world for a while now, so I,ll give you my very basic understanding from my OFSC volunteer view.

- This was a piece of legislation someone dug up from 2011 to kick the hornets nest.
- Its my understanding that this does not affect every hydro corridor, many are crown land or leased to hydro by the Ontario Realtors corp, I guess that's Ont. owned land?? only directly hydro owned ones.......I think. So from what Ive heard its pretty limited area

Anyway, this is the latest that we have heard-

Complaints from snowmobile clubs has forced the provincial government to reconsider a controversial policy.
Transportation Minister Glenn Murray confirms a decision to charge snowmobile clubs for use of hydro right-of-ways is under review.
Murray says the policy was put in place because of liability concerns raised by the Ministries of Infrastructure and Energy.
He says he heard concerns from several user groups and notes this was an old piece of legislation.

Not sure where they get the liability thing as the OFSC carries insurance on all property it crosses under it user agreement

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:50 AM   #7
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The Ontario liberal government will not be happy until they have screwed everyone out of any decent life in this province and we are all working for minimum wage. High hydro rates chasing business out of town. (the entire forest industry, half the auto industry and now Heinz and Kelloggs) and introducing crazy legislation like this that has absolutely no reasonable foundation.

The worst part is that there is not a reasonable alternative.

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Old 12-15-2013, 10:56 AM   #8
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The Liberals are trying out the Manitoba NDP play book.
Sorry not trying to derail the thread.
The chatter here is to close the Sandilands Forest to off roading, so there will not be forest fires caused due to hot exhaust and cigarette butts!!!
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:39 AM   #9
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Its been going around the sled world for a while now, so I,ll give you my very basic understanding from my OFSC volunteer view.


- Its my understanding that this does not affect every hydro corridor, many are crown land or leased to hydro by the Ontario Realtors corp, I guess that's Ont. owned land?? only directly hydro owned ones.......I think. So from what Ive heard its pretty limited area



Cheers, Todd
FWIIW; Ontario Realty Corporation- put simply this is an Ontario Crown Corporation which owns nothing and was created to manage Ontario Crown owned or leased or garnered by easement properties be it office towers in Toronto, vacant highway ROW's or Hydro One/OPG lands. Many "Hydro"corridors are easements placed on title of private lands which in turn can have almost the same control as owned lands.
What a rats nest these politicians are hoisting upon us all, once again!!
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:05 PM   #10
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Very real potential here to lose access to thousands of km's of trails in Ontario

Not sure who we should be calling or emailing to freak out on...
I would be surprised if this is not already on their radar, however this is exactly the sort of thing that the OFTR handles on behalf of Ontario trail riders.

I will email them this thread just to see if they are aware (I am a member).

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I just got a reply from the Ontario Federation of Trail Riders. The OFTR is aware of the issue, along with the areas that will be impacted. There is a meeting scheduled with the OFSC on Jan 9th to discuss. Should any action items come out of this meeting I will share as I become aware of them.

In the mean time, I would humbly recommend that if you ride a motorcycle on trails in Ontario, that you consider joining the OFTR - they do a lot of un-publicized work to keep trails open. Check out the web site, they do a better job of convincing than I could possibly do: https://oftr.ca/index.php

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Old 12-19-2013, 06:19 AM   #11
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Ontario!

You need the Conservatives in there. Liberals are tax and waste job killer governments. Provinces with Conservative governments are doing well. Liberal government provinces are all have not provinces. McGinty has dragged you into the gutter with his so called green bs policies and Wynn is useless. Look at Trudeau"s policies. His biggest platform is legalizing pot. What a winner! Keep on voting liberal, Ontario.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:16 AM   #12
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You need the Conservatives in there. Liberals are tax and waste job killer governments. Provinces with Conservative governments are doing well. Liberal government provinces are all have not provinces. McGinty has dragged you into the gutter with his so called green bs policies and Wynn is useless. Look at Trudeau"s policies. His biggest platform is legalizing pot. What a winner! Keep on voting liberal, Ontario.
Maybe they will free up all that land for pot growing when they legalize it, move it indoor grow ops. Or all the extra tax dollars from pot smoking might help more trail development because the surplus from taxing pot.
If not we will all be too stoned to give a fawk what's going on here lol.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:40 AM   #13
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You need the Conservatives in there. Liberals are tax and waste job killer governments. Provinces with Conservative governments are doing well. Liberal government provinces are all have not provinces. McGinty has dragged you into the gutter with his so called green bs policies and Wynn is useless. Look at Trudeau"s policies. His biggest platform is legalizing pot. What a winner! Keep on voting liberal, Ontario.
We've had conservatives and I fear we will again at some point. But I suspect even our conservatives wouldn't allow the rape and pillage of the environment that you western folks appear to relish. If I really cared about my hydro bill, I'd turn down the hot tub or do dry my laundry during low demand times. A few cents per KwHr is a small price to pay to prevent more damage to our environment. That doesn't make me a tree hugger. Just a pragmatist with kids who wants them to inherit a livable planet.
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Old 12-19-2013, 09:24 AM   #14
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Sadly Ontario doesn't get to vote. The majority ridings are in the greater Toronto area so what the rest of Ontario votes doesn't really count. Messed up system for sure.

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Old 12-19-2013, 10:54 AM   #15
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We've had conservatives and I fear we will again at some point. But I suspect even our conservatives wouldn't allow the rape and pillage of the environment that you western folks appear to relish. If I really cared about my hydro bill, I'd turn down the hot tub or do dry my laundry during low demand times. A few cents per KwHr is a small price to pay to prevent more damage to our environment. That doesn't make me a tree hugger. Just a pragmatist with kids who wants them to inherit a livable planet.
Keep on believing that. That's why Ontario has a greater debt than Kalifornia. Come to Alberta. You'll never go back to Ontario.
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