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02-02-2013, 06:23 PM
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frumiousbandersnatch
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Central, GA
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Question?
Anybody here that can relate an old school open class two stroke to a modern day 450? I talked with a Honda rep today that said a modern day 450 would wax ass on an old school two stroke 450.
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02-02-2013, 06:28 PM
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Carbon Sasquatch
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: Ellensburg, WA
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Why did 450f's race in the same class as 250 2ts?
I've ridden both. Most people today have no idea what a piped and ported open-class 2t is capable of. There is nothing like it when the pipe hits and you make the jump to hyperspace... :eek |
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02-02-2013, 06:32 PM
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Troubador of joy
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He was probably smoking crack and has never been on an old 2t with lots of power, stiff handling, and minimal braking.
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02-02-2013, 06:40 PM
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frumiousbandersnatch
Joined: Feb 2011
Location: Central, GA
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Thank you guys. That is what I thought. New school has to double the displacement to make the grade.
I had a YZ465 that was nasty fast. I'd love to put it up against a modern day, 5 valve four stroke. |
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02-02-2013, 06:43 PM
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Cultural Ambassador!
Joined: Apr 2005
Location: Moran Nation
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Thanks for reminding me that Supercross is on tonight
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02-02-2013, 06:46 PM
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Gear Grinder
Joined: Feb 2009
Location: adrift
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He was probably comparing 2013 4t shocks to 1985 2t shocks. If you put those things in the same chassis... my money is on the two-strokes
Not that I ever did (or even could have) wrung one of those things out But that is a time machine worth travelling through
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02-02-2013, 06:47 PM
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Well there it is..
Joined: Nov 2008
Location: Maylenevegas
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He obviously never rode a Yamaha YZ 465....
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02-02-2013, 06:48 PM
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I can pass this guy.
Joined: Feb 2005
Location: Cypress, Texas.
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That 465 wouldn't hold a candle to a decently tuned KX500 or a CR500.
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02-02-2013, 06:48 PM
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frumiousbandersnatch
Joined: Feb 2011
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02-02-2013, 06:49 PM
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Not in the clique...
Joined: Jun 2009
Location: South Central Texas
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I had a CR500...
...for about two weeks. I swear that fucker was tryin' to kill me. .
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02-02-2013, 06:56 PM
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Studly Adventurer
Joined: Aug 2006
Location: Petersburg Mi 49270
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I did a bunch of welding for this guy . he puts older 2 strokes in modern chassis
http://www.mps500af.com/
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02-02-2013, 06:56 PM
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Grumpy Old Goat
Joined: Jul 2005
Location: Lidsville
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That's the beast I was going to reference. The CR500s were the two wheeled wicked witch of the dirt. It'd love you until it got on the pipe then it'd tear your arms off and you could barely keep your feet on the pegs. I had a KTM 520 that tried to tear my arms out too, but the ferocity of the CR still scares the piss out of me.
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02-02-2013, 07:09 PM
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De Jo Momma
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: 20 Mule Team Trail (Palmdale, Ca)
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 I had a YZ465 as well. Yeah, it was fast. No, it wasn't THAT fast. I have a well respected friend who regularly raced intermediate class in west coast Grand Prixs before moving away a couple of years ago. He reassured me that a modern 450 four stroke would kick a CR500s ass. Edit: hell, here he is actually addressing this very issue--Nate Evans, partway down the page: http://www.dirtrider.com/tests/141_0701_size_matters/ A YZ465 would easily get beaten. Mine was on the Storz dyno just before I bought it and it put out a peak of just a bit over 40 horsepower.  |
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02-02-2013, 07:25 PM
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What was a CR500, 55-60 horsepower? The modern 4s might be a little quicker, wax ass, I dont know about. Old CR motor in a modern frame, all bets are off.
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02-02-2013, 07:32 PM
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Beastly Adventurer
Joined: Sep 2009
Location: The Northwet..
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One of the mag's just did a story on this..A KTM 450, 350 and a 250 Smoker..everyone felt faster on the oil burner..everyone was faster on the 450..a four stroke just makes traction easily where the 2 stroke requires something of the rider..namely clutch control..
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