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Old 02-10-2013, 07:27 AM   #271
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I don't know how you can fall in love with a bike from Honda that isn't in showrooms at this time either. I was at my Honda dealership a couple days ago and all they have that's new is the 2013 CBR250R. Same with Kawasaki. The only new models from Kaw on the floor at this time are the 250 and the new 636, which isn't really anything new in either case.

I love Honda motorcycles as far as build quality goes. That's the premium you're paying for, and quite frankly it's worth it to pay a grand or two more for the same displacement motorcycle as other competitors. The bike I owned prior to my 2011 Ninja 1000 was my 2006 Honda Interceptor. i loved that bike. I bought the Ninja 1000 to replace it soley because the Interceptor is no longer available in the US (UK still has them).

Your CTX700 is a 2014 model due out in the spring of 2013. Besides that, it's a repeat of an already defunct model called the DN-01. I test road a DN-01 at Daytona. Not impressive. I wasn't alone in that notion. That's why it only stuck around a couple years in the US.

You may ponder why, if I loved my Interceptor, didn't I buy a VFR1200? Well, go to the VFR forum and you'll see my opinion. I called it a turd in the toilet that won't flush (sell). I also said that about the NT700V. Both models doing poorly in the US, with the later already discontinued (only proving that what sells like gangbusters in Europe won't sell in the US).

The VFR1200 - $15,000.00 for NOTHING SPECIAL. For that tag it should have been stock with the GIVI hard cases and heated grips at LEAST. I see them selling on showroom floors in PAIRS now. The 2012 models can be had for $11,000.00 USD!!!!! That's what a VFR800 used to cost! LMFAO!


Let's dissect your choice of the CTX700 (faired model) - They tout it as full fairing. It's not. It has an ABS underbelly (cost savings)

Look at it on the accessories page - The optional tall windcscreen should be standard on a model they call cruiser, with the short stocker screen that should be the option and call it SPORT. The optional hard cases are thin. They won't hold your helmet and maybe not even a briefcase, but they'll set you back $1,200.00. The heated grips set you back another $300. The tail rack and backrest I can only assume are sold separately and total about $200. If you want an automatic (not that I would) add another grand.

So, what seems to be a reasonably priced base model can add up quickly to over $10k OTD for a 670cc bike. Value????

The specs page is not even complete, but I can make a few assumptions about it knowing their other model, the NC700X. By the way, Honda seems intent on ramming this 670 parallel twin down our throats The NCX weighs in at 472lbs wet. I can imagine a few more pounds on the CTX, if not at least the same weight. The CTX has a 3.1 gallon tank - a loss of volume because of their 'handy storage feature' no doubt. While the NCX has a 3.7 gallon capacity and can store a full face helmet (stolen idea from an Aprilia Mana) where the tank is usually located. Honda says CTX fuel mileage to be determined (TBD)... Really??? the NCX states 64mpg.

Now the CTX700N is the naked model and to me is more appealing than their faired version that reminds me all too much of the DN-01. It does have a reasonable pricetag, but a 3.1 gallon tank leaves me with a sour taste.

The DN-01, the NCX700, the CTX700 - all re-hashed versions of the same thing. Same trellis frame, same engine, same transmission offerings. I think Honda has a lot of parts they are trying like hell to get rid of here! These bikes back in the 70's were what we called 'PARTS BIN SPECIALS' - reference to Yamaha Radian if you can think back that far. At least Yamaha CALLED it that so there would be no misconceptions! Honda is serving you up a re-heated TV dinner with a different color gravy on it to see if the picky child will finally eat it!

Sorry if I pissed on your fire, but i'm really not. I'm pissing on smoldering ashes only. It's Honda that wants you to see the fire. How many ways is Honda going to try and shove the 670cc engine down our throats till we finally just tell them to go take a supository and have a good shit?

Frankly, you should look at the Aprilia Mana if the CTX is your bag. More bang for the buck, fully accessory capable, and it's a V-Twin which has a sound all its own. Also, it's an 850cc bike with the same fuel mileage ratings as the Honda's. Italian built bike - been on showroom floors a few years now - meaning you can actually go SIT on one and check it out. It's been upgraded every year so far - meaning they plan to keep it around a while - meaning it's SELLING enough to make them keep putting it out - meaning there are some happy riders out there.

You may still like the Honda better. Go for it - next year. the CTX is a 2014 model that Honda says will be out in the spring of 2013. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Honda also announced the VFR1200 early and it was months later that it actually came to the showrooms. Yamaha also guilty as charged when they announced the first FJR1300 back in 2003. They were 3 months behind schedule.

What does interest me from Honda? The CB1100 that'll be in the showrooms in a month. PREDICTION - THAT bike is going to sell before it hits the floor!!! Frankly though I was hoping that they'd also offer this naked nostalgia ride in an 850 version. WAIT A MINUTE!! ! That's how they can get rid of the overstock of 670'cc engines!!!! And the can call it a CB700!!! GOD I'M GOOD!!! (2015??!!)

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Old 02-10-2013, 07:31 AM   #272
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I like the styling - a lot.

I think this bike makes a lot of sense. I commute - a lot. Stop and go traffic with a clutch lever gets old. Heck, my left hand was aching while just waiting on a traffic light yesterday. DCT would be a major improvement, and I want it!

Small gas tank? So what? It will still go farther on a tank of gas than my current ride, which has a 5.3 gallon tank and wants 91 octane. With this bike, I would be buying 87 octane and spending less time pumping it. Add to that the idea of reducing this country's dependence on foreign oil, and less emissions, and I'm winning like Charlie Sheen!

Not exciting? Ummm, maybe if you only ride in straight lines. All the reviews I have read of the NC700X say it handles great. I expect the CTX will handle great too. Riding a twisty road is more about carrying a consistent speed, than blasting out of corners. Actually, anything with two wheels is fun and exciting. I used to enjoy riding my wife's Rebel 250.

Granted, it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. If this bike isn't for you, perhaps you should take a look at some of Honda's other offerings.
+1. Everytime I read a comment by some noob talking about how boring this or that bike is, I think, "If you find any motorcycle boring, you're not doing it right."
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:52 AM   #273
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Ugh. It's even worse than I had thought from the profile.

Not a fan of the colour, but I think black would look fine.

I do like the headlight and surround, reminds me of the Cylons in the old Battlestar Galactica .
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:54 AM   #274
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Granted, it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. If this bike isn't for you, perhaps you should take a look at some of Honda's other offerings.
I have, and I find them largely lacking.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:01 AM   #275
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Ever ridden one? I'm continually amazed at the groupthink that has caused the VFR12 to get a bad rap. I understand if you can't get used to the styling...but the new VFR handles every bit as well as the 800... only it's much, much faster. Do self-respecting VFR-owners hate more power?
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The groupthink? Really?
Stop. I was a VFR owner, and still respect myself. The only thing I didn't like about the 12 was the price.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:30 AM   #276
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+1. Everytime I read a comment by some noob talking about how boring this or that bike is, I think, "If you find any motorcycle boring, you're not doing it right."
Good vanilla ice cream is good. Not all bikes are Vanilla. There are a lot of motorcycles out there that are lackluster and uninspiring when compared to other bikes.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:38 AM   #277
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Good vanilla ice cream is good. Not all bikes are Vanilla. There are a lot of motorcycles out there that are lackluster and uninspiring when compared to other bikes.

Honda can't even qualify as good vanilla at this point. Appliances. They build the crock pots of motorcycling for the USA.
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:56 AM   #278
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Honda can't even qualify as good vanilla at this point. Appliances. They build the crock pots of motorcycling for the USA.
Well at least they are better then Kawasaki, who basically copy Honda every step of the way and add the feature of rattling apart after 50,000 miles.

,Isn't this the thread for talking out of our asses?
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Honda can't even qualify as good vanilla at this point. Appliances. They build the crock pots of motorcycling for the USA.
There is a whole world out there, you know.
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:06 AM   #280
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Well at least they are better then Kawasaki, who basically copy Honda every step of the way and add the feature of rattling apart after 50,000 miles.

,Isn't this the thread for talking out of our asses?

Seems they trump Honda, the former motor company of Japan, and I agree, they build crap quality in the lower half of the price range. Still, CBR250 has 25 HP, the Ninja 300 has 39. If at 50,000 miles it is done, who cares? I've been all over the Honda, it looks like more than half the crappy parts are shared with the Kawi! Eyeball the brake pedals, shocks and forks some time.

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Old 02-10-2013, 09:13 AM   #281
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Good vanilla ice cream is good. Not all bikes are Vanilla. There are a lot of motorcycles out there that are lackluster and uninspiring when compared to other bikes.
I don't disagree with this. My point is its all frame of mind. I've ridden a lot of bikes that some folks would consider boring. I've had a hell of a good time on most of them and enjoyed all of them. Hell I've toured on a bicycle and had a blast. Of course I didn't expect it to go 140 mph
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:25 AM   #282
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There is a whole world out there, you know.
+1 to that. There was a time 30-40 years ago, where Honda catered to the USA and its tastes. As countries around the world matured and needed transportation Honda obliged with great little two wheel conveyances that were very unlike the products sold here. It appears that Honda is now building bikes that can be sold around the world, meeting the needs of people who need basic transportation, economic to purchase and ride, not just for us any longer.

Not sure if Honda will ever attempt to cater to us specifically, as they believe us to be a fickle group that demanded certain styles of bikes, that when made were left to gather dust on their showroom floors. It took them three years to bring the CB1100 over here(soon) and while a unique and beautiful piece of machinery, stands a good chance of being a bust, too.

Like the Honda rep stated in Chicago, "new riders are not interested in purchasing a CBR600RR...." They are looking for comfort and economy of operation. That's what the CTX, NC and CB500's are all about, whether long term riders like us, like it or not. Honda doesn't seem to be listening to us any longer. No Crosstourers, no Transalps, and other bikes they feel will be failures here. We live with it or purchase Ducs or BMW's or whatever's that are being made to what they think Americans want, at a premium price of course...
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:35 AM   #283
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The new Hondas don't tick any of my boxes, other than perhaps as an efficient commuter.

But if you're like me and think it would be a good thing if more people got out of their cars and onto two wheels, then you should see the new Hondas as a welcome addition to the market.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:00 AM   #284
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WTF with the ass in a bucket, gyno-exam position. The Easy Rider movie F'd up American motorcycle tastes.

Anyway.......

Honda will only be really happy once they have convinced the entire world that they know better.

And we will all know they have succeeded when we ALL have a gen 7 ASIMO robot in our homes (homes built by the big H, of course) and are wearing red wing emblazoned jumpsuits.

Of course if they also design and manufacture an improved version of the orgasmatron...........
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The new Hondas don't tick any of my boxes, other than perhaps as an efficient commuter.

But if you're like me and think it would be a good thing if more people got out of their cars and onto two wheels, then you should see the new Hondas as a welcome addition to the market.
Commuting by motorcycle, as a general statement, sucks. I think most people who will buy one of these will give it up first time their nuts get soaked.

To the extent that it might be a good think if more people get out of their cars, not really. I pay $20 / mo. for parking b/c the lot I go to can fit us in in the unusable car spots - if more people commuted by motorcycle, they would start charging comparable to what they charge cars; $250 / mo. Remember when diesel used to be cheaper than gas? Well now that the consumer market saw that, diesel carries a 25% premium. Moral of the story, be careful for what you wish for.......
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