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Old 02-14-2013, 07:25 PM   #466
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yeah, I'm not impressed with the RSV4 either.
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Old 02-14-2013, 07:40 PM   #467
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That red, white, and blue bike is hideous. And to think, I wanted a red, white, and blue VF1000R back in the day. The stock CB1100 is gorgeous, and the cafe version of it looks pretty good as well.

I couldn't ride either one any distance without pain, but after watching the video, I would definitely take the Versys over the NC700X. How can anybody actually like the looks of that thing, and NOT like the looks of the CTX700? The CTX looks anything but cruiserish to me, that is what attracts me to it. It looks like a sporty bike, but with cruiser ergos, so despite it's looks, it will be comfortable on long rides.

The CTX700 and the NC700X are almost identical mechanically. They share the same engine, and are about the same size and weight. They differ some in appearance, but the big difference is in the bar/seat/peg layout, and you don't really notice that without seeing a picture with a rider on it.

Again, what I hear from all the CTX haters is all about the riding position. Put low bars and rearsets on it and they would love it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:01 PM   #468
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The CTX700 and the NC700X are almost identical mechanically. They share the same engine, and are about the same size and weight. They differ some in appearance, but the big difference is in the bar/seat/peg layout, and you don't really notice that without seeing a picture with a rider on it.
Speak for yourself. I can plainly see where the seat, pegs, and bars are without a rider on it. I imagine many others can as well.

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Again, what I hear from all the CTX haters is all about the riding position. Put low bars and rearsets on it and they would love it.
No, the fairing and exhaust are still butt-ugly, and far from sporty. That was covered oh-so many pages ago. But since you've mentioned how the Ninja 500 put you in pain about a half-dozen times, and restated your position that pretty much everything old is better than anything new another dozen times since then (both numbers estimated), I can see how you may have forgotten.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:26 PM   #469
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Anteraan, just curious, but does a motorcycle have to be considered sporty to be desirable? Personally bashing JerryH for his opinions and desire to own the CTX, probably shouldn't be done here, either. Enjoy what you ride and think is good and allow others to do the same, please. Thanks, tp
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:41 PM   #470
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Anteraan, just curious, but does a motorcycle have to be considered sporty to be desirable? Personally bashing JerryH for his opinions and desire to own the CTX, probably shouldn't be done here, either. Enjoy what you ride and think is good and allow others to do the same, please. Thanks, tp
To answer your question, not at all. I find lots of bikes desirable that are not at all sporty. The sporty comment came as a result of the "low bars and rearsets" comment. Some motorcycles that I desire are simply works of art. And that, of course, is subjective. I don't find the CTX700 to be a work of art, and there are many who agree. Others will disagree, and that's fine too.

Secondly, if JerryH wants to own the CTX, I have absolutely no problem with that, nor do I believe I have said anything to that effect. I have said in previous posts that I hope Honda does well with this release. I just don't think it will, and I have laid out some reasoning to that effect. I may be correct, and I may not. It's a discussion.

As far as Jerry goes, I have nothing against the man. I would gladly go for a ride and have a beer with him. I truly feel for his physical issues which prevent him from enjoying certain motorcycles, and whatever he wants to ride is great. I'm just glad he's riding and enjoying himself. The more people doing that, the better, in my opinion. In the process of this discussion, I have noticed that he has shown a tendency to extrapolate his issues onto others. The "torture rack ergos" of a sport-tourers is an example. Yes, that is true for him, but he presented it in such a way as if that were the case for everyone, that somehow the bike design itself was at fault. I don't feel that's the case, and I disagreed, and in far from a disrespectful manner.

And yes, I feel he has been a bit repetitive with certain statements throughout this thread. Its fine if he wants to make those points, and he can as often as he sees fit. After all, it's a discussion. In response, I think it's fair to point that out.

Bottom line: There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy. There's just Jerry and me, and we just disagree (on this topic).
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:44 PM   #471
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But it's totally cool for people to complain about cruiser ergos. That's different.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:33 PM   #472
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I like it, biking for the future I think.

This is interesting

Somebody told us Honda plans to have nine new models under $8K by 2014, which means it still has a few to go.

Honda is back, the giant has awoken.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:52 PM   #473
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I like it, biking for the future I think.

This is interesting

Somebody told us Honda plans to have nine new models under $8K by 2014, which means it still has a few to go.

Honda is back, the giant has awoken.
It's like they loaded up the "model release gatling gun" plus a few extras..

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Old 02-14-2013, 11:47 PM   #474
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I absolutely, positively give Honda credit for being back in a major way. They have given us a load of new bikes in the last year or so, including some truly pioneering machines. I have no idea how the other Japanese manufacturers will respond, but respond they must, or see their respective market shares decline.

As of Honda 2013, Honda is offering bikes with:
  • Great fuel economy
  • Automatic transmission (for those who would never consider purchasing a manual transmission motorcycle)
  • Low prices

Disclaimer: Yes, I have slammed the CTX700, but the products I don't like usually succeed in the marketplace.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:00 AM   #475
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[*]Automatic transmission (for those who would never consider purchasing a manual transmission motorcycle)
Or for those who just realize this as a very cool and sophisticated feature as opposed to bustling manual clutch and shifting.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:28 AM   #476
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the products I don't like usually succeed in the marketplace.
Nice.
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Old 02-15-2013, 04:30 AM   #477
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I absolutely, positively give Honda credit for being back in a major way. They have given us a load of new bikes in the last year or so, including some truly pioneering machines. I have no idea how the other Japanese manufacturers will respond, but respond they must, or see their respective market shares decline.

As of Honda 2013, Honda is offering bikes with:
  • Great fuel economy
  • Automatic transmission (for those who would never consider purchasing a manual transmission motorcycle)
  • Low prices

Disclaimer: Yes, I have slammed the CTX700, but the products I don't like usually succeed in the marketplace.
You are absolutely right - "respond they must"

that just makes Honda's New Concept all the more exciting.

as for the styling of the CTX, lots of folks have made it clear they don't like it, but I, for one, do - and I am not alone. So everyone just needs to make up their own mind. I hope people don't just read what other people think and form their opinions by that.

While we have some disagreements, this thread proves "you meet the nicest people on a Honda". I have enjoyed the discussion.

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Old 02-15-2013, 05:34 AM   #478
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To answer your question, not at all. I find lots of bikes desirable that are not at all sporty. The sporty comment came as a result of the "low bars and rearsets" comment. Some motorcycles that I desire are simply works of art. And that, of course, is subjective. I don't find the CTX700 to be a work of art, and there are many who agree. Others will disagree, and that's fine too.

Secondly, if JerryH wants to own the CTX, I have absolutely no problem with that, nor do I believe I have said anything to that effect. I have said in previous posts that I hope Honda does well with this release. I just don't think it will, and I have laid out some reasoning to that effect. I may be correct, and I may not. It's a discussion.

As far as Jerry goes, I have nothing against the man. I would gladly go for a ride and have a beer with him. I truly feel for his physical issues which prevent him from enjoying certain motorcycles, and whatever he wants to ride is great. I'm just glad he's riding and enjoying himself. The more people doing that, the better, in my opinion. In the process of this discussion, I have noticed that he has shown a tendency to extrapolate his issues onto others. The "torture rack ergos" of a sport-tourers is an example. Yes, that is true for him, but he presented it in such a way as if that were the case for everyone, that somehow the bike design itself was at fault. I don't feel that's the case, and I disagreed, and in far from a disrespectful manner.

And yes, I feel he has been a bit repetitive with certain statements throughout this thread. Its fine if he wants to make those points, and he can as often as he sees fit. After all, it's a discussion. In response, I think it's fair to point that out.

Bottom line: There ain't no good guy, there ain't no bad guy. There's just Jerry and me, and we just disagree (on this topic).
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:54 AM   #479
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You are absolutely right - "respond they must"

that just makes Honda's New Concept all the more exciting.



While we have some disagreements, this thread proves "you meet the nicest people on a Honda". I have enjoyed the discussion.

Exciting!? Ya'll must really be looking forward to spring when you can get outside and start watching the grass grow again.....
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:10 AM   #480
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my scientific unbiased opinion is that this thing is hella ugly and probably to ride, if you're willing to be seen on it.
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