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Old 02-08-2013, 01:41 AM   #61
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I don't think you're sure about what you're trying to say....the cross RUNNER is the VFR800 on stilts, the Crosstourer is the VFR1200. The 800 isn't available in the US, so effectively that was killed (unless it's released by Honda tomorrow), and since it is available in Europe, which has tighter emissions requirements, that wasn't the reason Honda dumped that motor/platform.
No The CrossRunner is the VFR800 on stilts and the CrossTourer (VFR1200X) is the VFR1200F (Sports Touring) on stilts sort of.

The VFR1200T (Touring) is supposed to be the next one if it happens.

VFR1200F


VFR1200X


VFR1200T


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Old 02-08-2013, 02:15 AM   #62
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I think this is quite brave of Honda. From that rambling press release, I'm surmising:

- same engine as 700X, highly fuel efficient
- low seat height
- low CoG
- foot forward controls

So we seem to have a standard/cruiser hybrid, built for ease of use, universality, and low running costs.

Very interesting.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:31 AM   #63
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Hmmm.

$7000/8000 for the N

$8000/9000 for the, er, tourer.
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:55 AM   #64
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Is that press release auto-translated? It reads like an April Fool's joke.

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Old 02-08-2013, 02:58 AM   #65
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http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...ews&id=7092-en

We have the new CTX series I think you can forget the St1300 replacement
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:15 AM   #66
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We have the new CTX series I think you can forget the St1300 replacement
I read somewhere that Honda felt they couldn't match the BMW K1600 bikes, so they essentially ceded that part of the sport/tour segment (for now).
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:48 AM   #67
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DN-01 revisited at a lower price.

No Crosstourer or ST1300 replacement.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:25 AM   #68
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I am calling huge swing and a miss.

Feet forward controls on a touring bike? Low seat height?

It is like a grow up bike for the scooterista... Or for your mom to go with dad's goldwing.

I don't get it. It clearly is NOT aimed at me.

What a disappointment.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:41 AM   #69
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[QUOTE=Sic Semper Tyrannis;I don't get it. It clearly is NOT aimed at me.

What a disappointment.[/QUOTE]

I don't think any of the new Hondas, FB6 excepted, are particularly aimed at the USA market.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:43 AM   #70
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Nothing to see here, move along...
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:22 AM   #71
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I'm thinking that Honda is betting on continuing rise in gas prices to drive a motorcycle boom for commuting bikes in the US. Most bikes that are 'lacking excitement' to long time riders also offer lower intimidation factors for new riders. I'm not saying in any way these bikes are not fit for veteran riders, just their practicality/function play more towards car drivers that want to switch to a motorcycle for commuting/travel. This approach may pay off big in the coming years.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:53 AM   #72
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I know this bike is supposed to get excellent fuel economy, but a 3.17 gallon tank on a touring style bike is a deal killer for me.. I see that there is still a small storage compartment next to the tank, ala nc700x, but much smaller.. I wished they just made the tank larger and omitted the storage. With hard cases and a top box and tank bag I can always find a spot for my cell phone and keys thank you..fuel storage isnt always so easy.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:03 AM   #73
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No The CrossRunner is the VFR800 on stilts and the CrossTourer (VFR1200X) is the VFR1200F (Sports Touring) on stilts sort of.
Yup, what with the crossrunner, crosstourer, and jacked up accord crosstour I misspoke.

My point was I don't understand why anyone would still be bitching about the lack of a ten year old sportbike in the Honda lineup, especially when it technically is (just not in the usa - small market, remember). If honda still had the VFR in showrooms I doubt it would sell, especially not at around the same price as a CB1000R. I'm surprised the cross runner does where it is offered.


About the new bikes:

I'm not sure why these bikes are "large frame". The 3.17 gallon tank is a bit of a chuckle, but it will probably still get 200 miles per tank. I'm sure the nc700x is too tall for some folks, and these are clearly lower with a ~28 inch seat height. I'd assume a 470-500 lb curb weight like the nc700x
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:15 AM   #74
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I'm thinking that Honda is betting on continuing rise in gas prices to drive a motorcycle boom for commuting bikes in the US. Most bikes that are 'lacking excitement' to long time riders also offer lower intimidation factors for new riders. I'm not saying in any way these bikes are not fit for veteran riders, just their practicality/function play more towards car drivers that want to switch to a motorcycle for commuting/travel. This approach may pay off big in the coming years.
a 400 lbs super moto w/ that motor would do the trick
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:20 AM   #75
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The red model reminds me of a slightly confused Versys, Vstrom, or Harley's first fixed frame fairing model, that was the predecessor to the Road Glide. Not very attractive, to my eye. The naked, not so bad as the cowled version.

DN-01 has been mentioned, and the bars, seat, and peg placement does lean in that direction. I agree that Honda is not targeting this bike for most members of this forum. They seemed proud of removing all excitement from this line and creating something that doesn't even have some vanilla in it. Basically tasteless. I'm sure it will take a rider from point A to B, or A to Z, for that matter, in ease and comfort, but without the rider/ing experience, the reason most of us ride in the first place.

Good luck Honda. I'm sure it will be a success in Europe and other locations, but probably not so much in the US. tp dd50
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