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Old 02-08-2013, 11:20 AM   #121
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I hope all these NC700 variants sell like hotcakes, because with a strong bottom line then Honda America would be flush enough with cash to also import (or develop) the models people like "us" want as well.

That said, today's announcement was a let-down, I was really hoping for the VFR1200X or something new and exciting. These bikes are as unpalatable to me as the Rune and DN-01, and sadly I suspect most of the buying public will react in the same way.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:53 AM   #122
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Have I heard any mention on how they copied the diavel?
Don't know about that. It certainly has none of the qualities that make the Diavel an interesting motorcycle.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:11 PM   #123
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Don't know about that. It certainly has none of the qualities that make the Diavel an interesting motorcycle.
looks a lot like the dn-01, which was 2008. The diavel was 2010 or so, right?


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Old 02-08-2013, 12:19 PM   #124
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I would like to know where it is made.

Also the ultimatemotorcycling.com article says

So it seems the filler cap is not under the seat (yay!) but the gas tank now resides in the storage area that the NC700X has. I hope that means there is a nice under seat storage area??? I realize you can't stick a helmet in there, but it is easy enough to lock a helmet to a bike. I would prefer the storage area to be under the seat. That is where I like to stick things that I rarely need, but never leave home without - like a tire repair kit and an air compressor. A few choice tools. A light weight rainsuit, a u-lock? Depends on what will fit. Who knows, you may even be able to get a tripod in there!
There is a small storage area in the tank area; looks big enough for a tool kit, cell phone, etc... but not a helmet.
I doubt if there is any storage under the seat since the seat height is only 28". I am hoping they have them at the Indianapolis bike show next weekend.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:30 PM   #125
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Wow. maybe Honda is starting to get things right. I love it. It has a cruiser riding position without looking like a cruiser. It is available WITHOUT ABS, and has available luggage. Even an available automatic. And at a somewhat reasonable price. Looks like the perfect solo touring bike. Maybe Honda finally realized there are people out there who do not like the torture rack riding position of sport bikes and sport tourers. I will definitely have to give this one serious consideration as my next bike.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:33 PM   #126
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Well I'm also disappointed but one thing you can say is that Honda is sure trying to build bikes that no one else are building. I appreciate the fact they are experimenting, and these new bikes do seem to fill a niche that no other manufacturer is tapping - much like the new 500 series, the CB1100 and to some extent the 700 NC series.

I just wish Honda could find a reasonable middle ground between these sub 10k experiments and the upcoming 100k+ V4 superbike. I think if they experiment with modern offerings in the sporty 10-12k range they could come up with some competitive and interesting motorcycles people could get passionate about.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:48 PM   #127
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I love it.
Doomed to fail, sell your Honda stock now.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:54 PM   #128
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Remember that cruisers occupy 50% of the U.S. motorcycle market. There are some, probably many, who ride cruisers for the comfort, not for the look. There are already way to many sportbikes around, anyone who wants one has a lot to choose from. It's about time somebody built a mid sized touring bike that can be ridden in comfort all day. I admit the tank is a bit small, but my 750 cruiser has a 2.9 gallon tank, and I've been living with that for a long time. This looks like the perfect bike to replace both my cruiser and my Goldwing. The cruiser is about worn out, and the Goldwing is a bit too big for solo touring. I am very tempted to sell them both and buy one of these. I will be at the local Honda dealer to check them out as soon as they arrive.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:05 PM   #129
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Remember that cruisers occupy 50% of the U.S. motorcycle market. There are some, probably many, who ride cruisers for the comfort, not for the look. There are already way to many sportbikes around, anyone who wants one has a lot to choose from. It's about time somebody built a mid sized touring bike that can be ridden in comfort all day. I admit the tank is a bit small, but my 750 cruiser has a 2.9 gallon tank, and I've been living with that for a long time. This looks like the perfect bike to replace both my cruiser and my Goldwing. The cruiser is about worn out, and the Goldwing is a bit too big for solo touring. I am very tempted to sell them both and buy one of these. I will be at the local Honda dealer to check them out as soon as they arrive.
I was making a joke at your expense, I think Honda is doing just fine.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:34 PM   #130
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I just don't understand people who think bikes with forward controls are more comfortable. All the weight on your arse, every bump sent right up your spine, body bent into a "V" shape, more effort to turn, worse balance, more effort to put the feet on the pegs from a stop, etc.

Hell, I can understand "beer gut" issues, as a former 300 pounder (and former Harley owner over a decade ago) but even then, mid-mounts were more comfortable for anything beyond riding down to the local pub, even with my belly squished into the tank.

And I think that's the real deal. Folks with "Dunlop Disease" think they look silly on a standard, the splayed out cruiser riding position flatters the obese rider, better disguises the fat. Or so they think.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:36 PM   #131
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At least it doesn't have a hideous beak

When I first saw CTX700, I was hoping they were updating and bringing back the CX500, maybe to compete with Moto Guzzi in the retro market?

It isn't my cup of tea, but I bet it will sell better than the DN-01. Maybe even better than the Rune.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:40 PM   #132
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These are aimed at the burgeoning commuter market?

OK, I can understand trying to tap the cherry rider segment, but Honda has that covered with what's already out; the CBR250, the CRF250L, the NC700 and those CB 500 things. More derivatives of the same bike won't attract a larger group of new riders, it'll be just trying to sell a larger pool of bikes to the same people who were (hopefully) going to walk through the door anyway.

While on the topic, it takes a fair bit of commitment to commute on a motorcycle; especially the way some of you have described it as an alternative to high gas prices and driving. And for those who really want to save money are are willing to give it a shot, there's an assload of used bikes on Craigslist, because face it we're cheapasses.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:44 PM   #133
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Well guys, next year we should see the...

GL700, CRF700, CBX700RR, VT700, and ST700 and maybe a TRX700 Twin just to complete the range and if you guys are really nice...

The VFR1200T and a new colour scheme on the CBR1000RR...

It would be interesting to see a real 700 adventure bike with real ground clearance and good suspenders. Can't cost that much to implement.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:51 PM   #134
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The TRX was a Yamaha

Otherwise, well played.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:56 PM   #135
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It's said that motorcycle buyers are amongst the most conservative consumers on the planet.

NTTAWWT.

But these bikes aren't for those people.

I think these are, primarily, attracting new riders and returning riders. If you already have a beloved Hayabusa, or Harley, or big GS, these aren't going to polish your apple.
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