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Old 02-08-2013, 08:35 AM   #31
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Is there some part of "Adventure Rider" that you don't understand?

99% of this forum is about ANTI-cruisers. It is not that they are not welcome (they are here in road warriors) it is just that they are a minority here.



There are plenty of cruiser and snoozer forums to choose from out there.
Haha! This guy is funny... as if you cant have an amazing adventure on a cruiser. An adventure is what u make it to be. For you it clearly involves mud and dust, but dont forget some people do enjoy being comfy for thousands of miles on the slab.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:43 AM   #32
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Also had a few adventures on my Victory Vegas ......



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Old 02-08-2013, 08:54 AM   #33
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Which bike did you like better between the kp and vegas? Very curious.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:58 AM   #34
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Haha! This guy is funny... as if you cant have an amazing adventure on a cruiser. An adventure is what u make it to be. For you it clearly involves mud and dust, but dont forget some people do enjoy being comfy for thousands of miles on the slab.
I have no problem getting my Harley muddy and dusty. It's just that it already scrapes the frame going over speed bumps, and the tires suck on anything worse than gravel.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:17 AM   #35
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Which bike did you like better between the kp and vegas? Very curious.
For longer rides I would pick the Kingpin. The larger fenders really help when there is a lot of rain.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:45 PM   #36
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..............They are the most practical, functional bikes out there........
The problem with cruisers is that they put you in this position:
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam, on your favorite bike the vaunted Vulcan750


Lots of us don't like the foot forward, all weight on ass, sub 30" seat height, that all 'cruisers' offer.
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam on MTS1200, no windshield needed, 6-800 mile days no problem


So while you imagine that cruisers are the most practical, functional bikes out there, some of use disagree.

Thanks to the motorcycle ergo website for the images.

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Old 02-09-2013, 01:03 PM   #37
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The problem with cruisers is that they put you in this position:
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam, on your favorite bike the vaunted Vulcan750


Lots of us don't like the foot forward, all weight on ass, sub 30" seat height, that all 'cruisers' offer.
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam on MTS1200, no windshield needed, 6-800 mile days no problem


So while you imagine that cruisers are the most practical, functional bikes out there, some of use disagree.

Thanks to the motorcycle ergo website for the images.

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That's great., glad you like to sit that way. In the 80's I thought my 900 Ninja was the comfiest thing ever with a position like that.

But sitting in that position for a 600-800 mile day now would leave me unable to walk. My knees would lock up and be in agony (idiocy = bad knees).

I can put in a full day of riding with a foot forward position with no problem.
Maybe my butt has better padding. I do almost always replace the stock seat on my bikes, currently have a Mustang seat that fits like a glove.

Not every body is built the same, or has the same needs. I don't ride cruisers (or hopefully a touring bike this or next year) to look cool, I ride them because they do things I want them to do. They are the most practical, functional bikes out there for me.

I'd love to have a K1600 GTL but I know I couldn't ride a full day on it, so what's the point? I'll end up with an HD FL something or other or a Victory Cross Country Tour next. Because I'll actually be able to use and enjoy it for it's intended purpose.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:33 PM   #38
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Is there some part of "Adventure Rider" that you don't understand?

99% of this forum is about ANTI-cruisers. It is not that they are not welcome (they are here in road warriors) it is just that they are a minority here.



There are plenty of cruiser and snoozer forums to choose from out there.
What part of Adventure RIDER don't you understand? This is not "Adventure Bike" It's more of an adventure to ride a cruiser to South America than to ride a GS to Starbucks.

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:03 PM   #39
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I got a chance to sit on a lot of cruisers today at the Chicago Motorcycle Show, and let me tell you they were nice. I think I've decided I like the Vulcan 900 best. My fiance and I are talking about turning in the KLR for the Vulcan and starting some new longer adventures on a bike with a windshield. Not to mention the KLR's been hurting my knees (and I'm only 26 so that's probably not good).

Anyway just mentioning this to let everyone know they should sit on as many as they can, because they all feel different no matter how much alike they look.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:23 PM   #40
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I got a chance to sit on a lot of cruisers today at the Chicago Motorcycle Show, and let me tell you they were nice. I think I've decided I like the Vulcan 900 best.
That bike seems to be well liked.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #41
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The problem with cruisers is that they put you in this position:
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam, on your favorite bike the vaunted Vulcan750


Lots of us don't like the foot forward, all weight on ass, sub 30" seat height, that all 'cruisers' offer.
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam on MTS1200, no windshield needed, 6-800 mile days no problem


So while you imagine that cruisers are the most practical, functional bikes out there, some of use disagree.

Thanks to the motorcycle ergo website for the images.

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I agree 100%.

But don't mistake the "sporty" position of rearsets with the position of adventure bikes like my GS. The trouble with cruisers is that the seats are way too low, so that there's no way of putting the feet anywhere except out front unless you have your knees bent at a fairly sharp angle. Raise the seat up though and it then becomes possible to place the feet more below the ass or at least down below the thighs. That helps distribute the weight between the thighs and rear, and not focus it all on the tail and hip bones. It also allows you to shift your weight onto your legs so you can use your legs to serve as shock absorbers when needed. I rode my Sportster with the stock forward controls and it was absolutely horrid on really rough roads. And even on smooth roads it put all my weight on my ass instead of my thighs. Luckily, I'm not tall with long legs so the mids work for me and do help distribute the my weight better. Still nowhere as comfortable as my GS in that regard though. And you can still put highway pegs on the GS so you can stretch out the knees if you like.

H-D was the mother of the modern cruiser. They have been steeped in tradition and have been putting form before function for years in order to stay with that tradition of days gone by, while other manufacturers have moved on with more modern designs that came after 1940. Many people do like the classic styling though, so it sells based largely on that more than actual functional superiority. Other manufacturers have basically copied H-D with their cruiser models in an effort to capture some of those sales. Even BMW tried it.

Of course that's just speaking of the ergonomics. Other shortcomings can be found in suspension, brakes, chassis design and vehicle weight.

Not that it's all bad though. The engine really is good for a street bike, IMO. And I can't deny that I do love the look of my 48!

But, if I'm planning to put some serious miles on a bike, guess which one of mine will be staying in the garage?


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Old 02-09-2013, 09:16 PM   #42
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Can't tour on a cruiser???

Cruiser mileage -

Victory Vegas - 48 states (8200 miles) in less than 10 days - 1500 miles in less than 24 hours.



Victory Kingpin - 49 states (8800 miles) in less than 10 days, including over 5000 miles in less than 5 days -
Full 16 day trip - 11,907 miles.



Victory Vision - Key West, FL to Prudhoe Bay, AK - 7 days, 10 hours.
Full 16 day trip - 11,197 miles.

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Old 02-09-2013, 09:43 PM   #43
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The problem with cruisers is that they put you in this position:
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam, on your favorite bike the vaunted Vulcan750


Lots of us don't like the foot forward, all weight on ass, sub 30" seat height, that all 'cruisers' offer.
6'-2" rider, 34" inseam on MTS1200, no windshield needed, 6-800 mile days no problem


So while you imagine that cruisers are the most practical, functional bikes out there, some of use disagree.

Thanks to the motorcycle ergo website for the images.

cheers,
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That might be a little uncomfortable, but I don't sit that way. I sit back against the rise in the seat, my legs are stretched out a few inches farther, and my arms reach a few inches more forward to the bars, though there is still a good bend in my elbows, so there is no actual weight being supported by my arms. And the biggest difference is that I have a Protac riders backrest to lean back against, to support my back. Sadly, Protac is going out of business, the owner is retiring. They make a great product, hopefully they will sell everything to someone else that will keep making them.

Any riding position that causes my knees to be bent back more than 90 degrees will cause leg cramps, and the farther back and the higher the pegs are, the worse it gets. Some bikes have the pegs so high and so far back that your feet are almost vertical, with your toes pointing at the ground. I can't even get on a bike like that, let alone ride it. The Vulcan 750 also has the passenger pegs in a perfect position for someone my size to use, for a short break from the feet forward riding position if necessary. Even the passenger pegs are nowhere near as bad as the riders pegs on a sport bike.


I have ridden KLRs long distances (though not to Alaska or South America) and they are not nearly as bad as a sport type bike. I found the seat to be the main problem. I currently have an XT225 that I have to ride some distance to get off road, the pegs aren't that bad, but I installed bars with 2" more rise, and that helped a lot. I also left the passenger pegs on (many remove them, the XT is not really capable of carrying a passenger) But I use them as a way to change the position of my legs on longer rides, to avoid cramps. They are not as comfortable as the riders pegs, but a brief change of position can help a lot.


Nice to see someone else touring on a cruiser. Though I have seen plenty of people out on the highway with their cruisers loaded down. I don't think they are carrying all that stuff just to run down to the store.

I'll bet a lot of people putting down cruisers have never put any serious mileage on one. I did put some mileage on a '94 Yamaha YZF1000 many years ago, when I rode it from Phoenix, AZ to San Francisco and back. I was in severe pain the entire trip, and the pain did not go away for days after I got back. I still think it did some degree of permanent damage.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:00 PM   #44
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Early last year I bought a KLR as a do-it-all type bike and love it, but found that as a newer rider (had an old xt250 as a kid, but nothing really since) the KLR was sketchy for me on the highway. I started reading on ADV here, and went looking at a Super Tenere and ended up with a Stryker Since the KLR will fulfill most my dirt trip needs, the cruiser will take care of my "road" miles.It feels a lot more stable at 65+, and with a pack to lean against I won't have any problems with comfort. It may not carry me down any singletrack, but since most of my trips are alone I pretty much stick to maintained roads anyway. And with the lower seat height, this FF can load up the bike and get on and off without ending up in 'Faceplant'
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:38 PM   #45
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The ket to super long distance comfort on a cruiser, at least for someone like me with a bad back, is something to lean back against for support, whether it is an actual backrest, or whatever you have on the back part of the seat. Cruisers have tons of room to carry stuff. If you can get a sissy bar/rack (what used to be called a "highback rack" for your model, you can use a T bag on the rack attached to the sissy bar, and another bag on the back of the seat, also attached to the sissy bar, saddlebags, a tankbag (my Vulcan doesn't have any instruments on the tank, which makes that easy) and I have even used dual sport tricks, like front fender bags and tool tubes made out of ABS pipe. You can also use pretty much any kind of windshield you want. A Plexifairing III is almost as good as a Goldwing fairing.
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