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Old 02-24-2013, 03:21 PM   #121
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Looking to add a 2006 Vulcan Nomad 1600 to the garage in the near future. It will compliment the fz1 good i think.

it will used for commuting and do some leisure ride .

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You're gonna love the Nomad. I have the 08 black/red 1600 and I love it. Comfortable, reliable and plenty of power. I love long rides in comfort
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:25 PM   #122
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The Nomad is one of the best of the Japanese touring cruisers. I had a '97 Vulcan 1500 Classic, the bike that the Nomad is based on. It was a very comfortable ride, and the vibration from that big v-twin is very relaxing. Mine was short lived however. I bought it used with fairly high mileage, and it fell victim to the notorious POG (plastic oil pump gear) problem that plagued earlier versions of that engine. Kawasaki refused to fix it because it was out of warranty, even though it was a known factory defect. They should have done a recall on it but didn't. However, they did remedy the situation in '99, by switching to a steel gear, so '99 and up models are very reliable. The Nomad does use side opening bags, which to me are harder to load than top opening bags, but that is mostly a matter of personal preference.
The 99 Nomad still had the pog. It was the last year of them. I have the side loading bags on the 08 and are much better imo than the bubbly top loading ones. I agree they are ridiculously comfortable and absolutely love my Nomad. Whatever gets you on the road is the right bike
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:28 PM   #123
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I think the R1200C is an awesome bike in all it's forms. Back in the day I wanted one BAD. I especially liked the "Montana" version. I wish BMW had kept making it.

Now I own a 2008 Nomad and love it. I bought it last September with less than 800 miles on it. I have been meaning to check to see if it still has the baffles. Some people say it is loud. Sounds good to me. I like the side opening bags. It's easier to get to everything inside. Top opening bags are good too.
I have the 08 Nomad and absolutely love it. Very reliable and comfortable.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:34 PM   #124
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I originally wanted a dual sport, but then financial reality set in and rather than try to save up for a year for a down payment, I jumped at the chance to buy this from a co-worker I got my 2004 V-Star 650 Classic with 8,500 miles for all of $1,400 with the windshield and saddle bags This bike has been spectacularly awesome as a first motorcycle. It's not light, doesn't have too much power (31 hp and 34 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheel on the dyno), but it's got enough to get the job done


9 July 2011 - Out on the old highway south of Jean, NV


3 September 2011 - Stopped at the Hackberry General Store on Route 66 a ways north of Kingman, AZ


3 September 2011 - Heading eastbound on Route 66 just outside of Seligman, AZ


2 January 2012 - Evening on the Scenic Loop in Red Rock Canyon just outside of Las Vegas, NV


15 June 2012 - Out at the Wedge Overlook on the San Rafael Swell near Price, UT


15 June 2012 - Stopped at the east end of the Swinging Bridge near the Buckhorn Draw on the San Rafael Swell near Price, UT

These are just a few of my pics from my travels on two wheels. I put 13,000 miles on the odometer in the first 12 months I owned this bike which is quite a bit considering my daily commute was only four miles round trip. I started riding in June of 2011. I took my first really long ride (long to me - I'm not RTW Doug or Rollin' ) in September and went from Vegas down to Prescott and Jerome, AZ. That trip included some serious corners and thunderstorms! I went from Vegas to Anza, CA in November. The Cajon Pass was interesting on that trip with 55 MPH crosswinds gusting to 75 MPH and lots of big rigs

I've only taken one really long ride since then which was the day I moved from Las Vegas, NV to Price, UT. 420 miles, lots of uphill and headwinds with the throttle wide open to try to keep up with some of the traffic. I'm still riding as much as possible and I've found that while a V-Star isn't really a dirtbike or a dual sport, it'll do just fine on dirt roads as long as I keep the speed down Trust me when I say you don't want to hit deep loose sand at 40 MPH on this bike - it'll double your vocabulary and triple your prayer life

I managed to lose one of the saddle bags somewhere along one of the roads so I've been making due with a backpack for the time being. I also haven't been able to ride as much as I'd like due to weather (what's up with all this cold white stuff in the winter ) and due to a lack of excess gas money as that's going to my wonderful 6 month old daughter

Yes, I'd love to have an F700GS, a DR650, or a TW200, but until finances improve I'm happy to have a motorcycle that's easy to ride, versatile, and a hell of a lot of fun Even then, I'm pretty sure I'll keep this bike for around town and short distance street use and just add a dual sport for the dirt because this is just such a nice riding bike
The vstar is a great reliable bike. Whatever gets you on the road and smiling
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:21 AM   #125
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The vstar is a great reliable bike. Whatever gets you on the road and smiling
I agree 100%
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Old 02-26-2013, 10:43 PM   #126
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I have ridden a Vulcan Nomad, and it was like a La-Z-Boy on wheels. So relaxing and comfy. But it is a huge bike, and not as much fun for going fast. My V-Star 650 was very smooth and easy to ride, but a bit slow on the open road. The Sportster is none of those things. It is a harsh machine. It wants to go fast, but only if the road is straight. The ride is tolerable, but not comfortable. It demands more attention because the suspension and brakes are completely inadequate for the powerful engine. But it has grown on me, and I enjoy it as much as anything.
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:35 PM   #127
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Unlike every other bike of it's size, the Sportster is a bike with CHARACTER. It is noisy, it shakes like crazy, and the suspension is rock hard. It is the kind of bike I've already fallen in love with, just because of those things. It reminds me of my '66 Triumph, but sounds even better, and is reliable. But I was a lot younger when I had that. But I haven't bought one, because at 6' 230 with a 34" inseam, I just don't fit well. It would be a bike that got worked on a lot, and only ridden occasionally, mostly locally. It's just to small to take a trip on. Now a Dyna Super Glide on the other hand.......
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:20 AM   #128
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The Cotton Ball is gone, just like most everything else old. The old brick school building where I went was taken over by some historical society and partially restored.

1) The way I see it most cruisers are far better adventure bikes than dual sports because they are more comfortable,

2) have a MUCH better seat, have a lower center of gravity, and you don't need a ladder to get on them.
3) Anything can be dropped, though my 11 year old 78,000 mile Vulcan 750 never has been.

IF you are strictly riding off road trails, then a cruiser is not the right bike. But if your travels are mostly on pavement and smooth graded dirt or gravel, you would be hard pressed to do better than a cruiser. A cruisers one weak point is a lack of ground clearance, and maybe weight on the really big ones.

4) I have found 750 sized cruisers will go almost anywhere. The Vulcan makes about 60 hp, though it's motor is a bit high strung. A 45-50 hp motor in the same sized bike, with a lot more torque would be more useful. The Vulcan 750 is a 1985 design, which makes it more practical in a lot of ways than newer cruisers where they put style first.

5) I have ridden all over the country (not to Alaska) on cruisers. In 2001 I traded my 80,000 mile '93 Vulcan 750 for a new KLR650. The seat was so bad I gave it up in less than a year, and traded it for a brand new '02 Vulcan 750.

5.1) Other issues with the KLR were a lack of any place to carry anything (yes, $1500 worth of panniers would have fixed that, but I didn't want to spend that much money on a bike with such a poor excuse for a seat)
5.2) It also lacked power on the freeway where the Vulcan cruises effortlessly at 80 mph, and
5.3) it was so tall it felt awkward in town.
mmm, this might be biased, a little ? ok, points numbered...

1) control, clearance, power, weight, look around, the tool is not a cruiser for exploring all types of terrain.

2) seats can be replaced, or not, whichever. softer is not better.

3) I'm not sure if that an achievement, or just sad. bikes need naps, just like us.

4) I'm sorry, this is just wrong. a curb will stop some. a tight corner or narrow pathway also. "anywhere a car can go", yes ill agree.

5) trading in a klr, at a dealer, must be the epitome of bad financial decisions. and why was it traded ? the seat ? you won't spend $150 for a seat replacement, but loosing your ass at the stealership makes sense ? that's a real stretch man.

5.1) $1500 panniers ? oh come on. those $50 pleather saddlebags will toss over a dualsport, harley, two smoke, adv, moped, bicycle, or any seat just as easily as there are currently tossed over your cruiser's seat.

5.2) ok, now try cruising at 99mph, is your current bike still unstressed and powerful at that speed ? see, there are limits to every bike, we've just found another.

5.3) dualsports KILL in town boredom and eat it for breakfast. lean, swerve, and wear the tits off the edge of the tires. grins ensue and monotony is banished. if it felt too tall, you were doing it wrong. the low rpm pull of a thumper loves carving up city streets.

if you like a genre, that's fine. you don't have to justify anything. let's just keep it real.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:32 PM   #129
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To each, his or her own. :-)

I find a dual sport in-town to be less than fun. Squashy suspension, wrong tires, tippy-toe height, etc. Taking a little UJM is about the easiest and most nimble, in my experience/opinion. A big cruiser will be ponderous, but that's about it.

As for tight corners or narrow pathways stopping a cruiser, as well "anywhere a car can go", I don't think I've ever seen a cruiser that wide. I can't recall ever giving up on going somewhere on a cruiser because a turn was too tight to navigate around. As for actual width, some of the widest bikes I've ever seen are a number of ADV types with huge panniers stuck out off the sides. A number of them being KLRs in fact.

I don't understand the 99 mph comment. Can't think of many adv type bikes that cruise at that speed relaxedly or comfortably. I can think of a fair number of cruisers that can.

Not that I think a cruiser is a do everything bike. It's simply a type, nothing more. It can do quite a bit more than many folk expect it to be able to do though. Especially when properly farkled.
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:39 PM   #130
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I've gone back and forth on how much I like my little cruiser. Loved it when I first got it, but went through a period of not appreciating it very much. Probably doesn't help that I'm kind of stuck with it at the moment, because even if I could sell it for something else I'd like to try-- I couldn't get enough out of it to get what I'd be after.

As of late, however, I've come back to liking the heck out of my '05 S40. A good little bike that doesn't complain about what I ask it to do. I've added some stuff to it to make it more to my liking and that's been an improvement over when I first bought it. What it needs most now is a better seat to help with better long term comfort. Also has some shortcomings that I can't really fix, but I'm just happy to have a motorcycle at all right now.
I feel the exact same way about my Suzuki M50. When I first got it I enjoyed rocking it around town and just really loved it. I fell out of love with it because it's a bit of a harsh ride for daily use, just wears you out on the bad roads where I live, plus it's subpar on the highway for longer trips. But when I bought a bigger bike and only used the m50 as intended (short commutes and cruise nights) I realized it's really just such a fun hoot to ride, not to mention dead sexy looks. Therefore I keep it around for that purpose.
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:31 PM   #131
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To each, his or her own. :-)

I find a dual sport in-town to be less than fun. Squashy suspension, wrong tires, tippy-toe height, etc. Taking a little UJM is about the easiest and most nimble, in my experience/opinion. A big cruiser will be ponderous, but that's about it.
YEs!!! I now, to each his own. I do see a cruiser in my stable one day, but never (I hope) will I give up the DP bikes, they fit me very well.

THe thing that holds me back on the cruiser side is ground clearance, I do ride with friends who have them but when speed bumps appear they just slow down! and twisties? same thing. Very they are not good riders, but they also complain a lor of the heavy weight of their bikes.

I am sure they are comfortable for many, and some people love the loud pipes. A friend had to drive my klr so we switch and we rode some 30-50 miles before returning to our bikes, he got my KLR650 and I hot his honda 600 and we compare notes, he said it the KLR was borring, it was like sitting on a couch (laz boy) and I said i feelt that my ass was going to hit the floor. He said "there is VW sound instead of a real exhaust
I said, "I could NOT listen to the road" we were both happy to return to our bikes!. My friend is 5'10" or so so the seat height was a none issue, I am 5'7"ish and the cramp position was not a problem either

I do have hwy pegs on the klr as well as on my scooter just for added comfort.

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Old 02-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #132
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I had a KLR 650 put lots of miles on it but because my wife wanted to go with me so I traded it for a 1999 Vulcan 88. I love it comfortable, good 2 up my only complaint is the small tank.
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I have the 98 Vulcan 88 and I love it. Yours is the last year they made it so it was the 1500a13 mine was the 1500a12. Vulcan cruisers are hard to beat for value
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:50 PM   #133
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Unlike every other bike of it's size, the Sportster is a bike with CHARACTER. It is noisy, it shakes like crazy, and the suspension is rock hard. It is the kind of bike I've already fallen in love with, just because of those things. It reminds me of my '66 Triumph, but sounds even better, and is reliable. But I was a lot younger when I had that. But I haven't bought one, because at 6' 230 with a 34" inseam, I just don't fit well. It would be a bike that got worked on a lot, and only ridden occasionally, mostly locally. It's just to small to take a trip on. Now a Dyna Super Glide on the other hand.......
I have a hard time when describing bikes w words like character or soul as only men(and women) have those characteristics. I think I know what you mean in that that mc makes you feel a certain way but I've ridden both size sportsters and have found the Vulcan 750, 800,950, Vstar 950 and the old smaller victorys to be better rides. It's an individual thing but it's how the bike makes us feel not a characteristicof the bike. Does that make sense?
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:59 PM   #134
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All machines, especially vehicles, used to have character. That character came from the nature of the things. Internal combustion engines made noise, they had vibration, exhaust actually came out of the exhaust pipe, and if you got close enough you could feel the heat from them, a byproduct of creating power buy burning fossil fuels. When you rode the bike, you could feel the heat, smell the exhaust (one reason I love 2 strokes), you could hear the sound and feel the vibration change with the speed of the engine. There were other sensations. You could feel bumps in the road, you could feel and hear the tires rolling on the road, you could feel the suspension work (and sometimes squeak and rattle) And true to being machines (purely mechanical devices) you could work on them, you could hold the hard parts like pistons and gears in your hand, and understand what they did and how they worked. You could tune an engine till you got it just the way you wanted (or at least close). Riding, and driving, were actual physical experiences. Each vehicle had it's own subtle nuances. You got to know your vehicle, and could tell when something was not quite (or was nearly perfect) without hooking it up to all kinds of electronic test equipment.

I grew up working on that kind of vehicles, and became very good at it. I developed a FEEL for that particular vehicle. There were no computers back then, and for a long time I didn't even have a multimeter. I rigged up homemade testing equipment. Doing so meant you first had to understand how it worked.

Todays vehicles have become so highly refined that they have no character. When driving a new car, you don't feel or hear or smell anything. The driver has been so isolated from the vehicle that they might as well be sitting in their living room. You have no visceral connection to the vehicle at all. All the sensations that used to come from operating a machine are gone. You don't even need to do very much, computers control almost everything. Compare driving a NASCAR race car to the family sedan or SUV. Absolutely NOTHING in common. The race car still has character.


Cars went this way a long time ago. It is just now starting to happen to bikes. Go ride a new Goldwing and see if you actually experience anything. All my bikes (except the Goldwing, which has just been sold) have had their quirks, their rough edges, they had a nature of their own, just like living things do. That is my attraction to machines For me to like them, they have to be more than just transportation appliances. They have to have character and personality (the sensations that you experience, that vary from one machine to another. It's no different than people all being different, having different natures, different personalities.

Sadly the day of that type of machine seems to be over for good. I have an old 1940s Olivetti mechanical typewriter. I love the thing. It makes noise. It has a feel to it. different keys have to be pressed slightly differently. A few of them tend to jamb if not used just right. It takes a lot of skill and finesse to operate this thing properly. Totally different from a computer keyboard.


Compare most old and new mechanical things (to me computers are NOT mechanical) and you will almost invariably find the old ones have character while the new ones do not.

Harley Davidson has done a great job of keeping that character in their bikes (with the exception of fuel injection, and that is not their fault, you can blame the epa for that) while most others are doing their best to eliminate it.

As someone who has put 160,000 miles on Vulcan 750s, I obviously like them. They do still have some character, though not as much as I would like. I like them for their comfort on long rides, and their capabilities as motorcycles. And at least they have no computers, being a 1985 design. But they are not even comparable to a Harley Davidson when it comes to character. What many people who do not ride Harleys point out as "flaws" are a big part of what gives them their character. And it is my guess that this is why they sell so well. Why else would someone spend such a huge amount of money for such antiquated technology, when so much "new" technology exists, and is usually cheaper. To me, and most likely a whole lot of others, it is the inherent lack of "new" technology that makes them desirable. Not everybody sees "new" as better, many see it exactly the opposite. I'm one of those. Harley could do a whole lot to "civilize" their bikes by simply offsetting the crankpins to get perfect balance and a nice even firing order. They could decrease the stroke and increase the bore. They would have a much smoother quieter, more efficient engine. And they would put themselves out of business.

Not everybody likes "civilized", or "smooth and quiet" I would think members of an adventure riders forum would understand more than anyone else. If you were a pilot, you could fly across the Atlantic in a fairly small plane. But it would be smooth and quiet and civilized, with loads of electronics to help you. It wouldn't be the adventure it was back when Lindbergh did it.

If you still don't get it, you never will. Like the old saying that MOTORCYCLISTS are so fond of using. "If you understand, no explanation is necessary. If you don't, no explanation is possible."

Enjoy riding while it is still possible. The next generation will probably have electric 2 wheelers. They won't be motorcycles anymore. The next step will be sitting at your desk going for a ride on your computer. Speakers will make the sound, and the controls will have built in vibrators to "simulate" the real thing. Everything will be virtual. All the "essence" that made it real will be gone. Oh wait. We have that already.
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mr Jerry! I do not share all your comments, but I do enjoy reading the passion!

I like smooth and quiet, and love rough and load! (I have space for both)

That is why I need both worlds!

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