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Old 02-08-2013, 06:59 AM   #16
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Finally, something to be excited about!
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:01 AM   #17
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Those little cars could really take off. With a little early buzz about really good fuel economy, in a car that's a really nice package (compared to the cheapened current Jetta), and dealers on every street corner, I think Chevy could get some good volume of cars on to the street.


Don't forget that the higher price of diesel relative to gasoline is sorta artificial. Higher taxes on diesel and insufficient refinery capacity. Crude oil naturally contains more diesel than gasoline and is fundamentally cheaper to produce.

We as a country just have to decide that we want the improved economy.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:08 AM   #18
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:22 AM   #19
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:36 AM   #20
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They should've put a TDI
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:56 AM   #21
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...... Maybe some fleet pickups, and the Jeep Wrangler (mine has manual windows and locks, but I do have AC).
The white F-150 commercial trucks I buy have A/C, power windows, power locks and a sound system standard. These are zero option trucks. So AFAIK you can't get them without the power stuff. The commercial dealer we use can order them stripped. But then you pay extra for the deleted items.
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:33 AM   #22
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There's a bit more to it than that, if you know about the evolution of various
VWAG TDI engines.


VW / Audi TDi engines sold in the US after the 2003.5 model year have various
issues which can result in VERY expensive problems. Blanket advice to "get a TDi"
leaves out significant information that a wise buyer would do well to avail himself
of before making a purchasing decision which may well prove regrettable.


I know a guy who works for VWoA -- his job is to travel around and solve problems
with cars the techs at local VW dealers are unable to fix. This guy is not just a mechanic,
he is the mechanic who solves problems when every other tech has reached the limit of
his knowledge and ability. In other words, this guy knows what he is doing. I will share
with you what he told me : "You do NOT want a current generation TDi".


The current generation TDi is the common-rail injection engine. By the way the
Pumpe Deuse ( PD ) TDi engines also have significant problems. Before buying
a VW / Audi TDi, do your homework at this website, with which I have no affiliation :


http://www.tdiclub.com/


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Hmm, interesting. Been looking into the 2010 TDI Sportwagons for the wife. Guess we'll stick to the '95 Audi for a bit longer.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:24 AM   #23
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. . . and right out of the gate you offer no quantifiable advantage whatsoever for driving an oil burner.
Don't they have a bunch more torque?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:18 AM   #24
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Here's a thread from TDIforums on the High Pressure Fuel Pump "disintegrating."


Sorta like BMW final drives...

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:49 AM   #25
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Don't they have a bunch more torque?

Yes 90's V8 levels of torque.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:07 PM   #26
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Don't they have a bunch more torque?
If that's important to you in this class of car then I suppose you can call it an advantage. But really, it isn't.

Having owned two TDi's, the reason I owned them over their comparable gas versions was they got nearly twice the mileage - not because the TDi made more torque. The only time the torque really mattered was when I was pulling a trailer.

As for GM, they are contradicting themselves. Here is the tested performance of a Cruze ECO gas version:

TEST DATA
ACCELERATION TO MPH
0-30 2.5 sec
0-40 4.2
0-50 5.8
0-60 8.1
0-70 10.8
0-80 13.9
0-90 17.6
0-100 22.8
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 4.5
QUARTER MILE 16.2 sec @ 86.4 mph

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

Here's what GM says about the performance of the diesel version:

UNDER THE HOOD: A new two-liter turbo diesel with 148 horsepower and ample power at all engine speeds. The car initially will be sold only with a six-speed automatic transmission, beefed up for the diesel’s higher power. GM says the diesel will go from zero to 60 mph in 8.6 seconds, which the company says is better than the Jetta with an automatic transmission.

GAS MILEAGE: At least 42 mpg on the highway. City and combined mileage testing not finished yet. An eco version of the gasoline-powered Cruze also gets 42 mpg on the highway with a manual transmission, but GM says it doesn’t perform nearly as well as the diesel. “You’re getting a little tiny performance sedan with superb fuel economy,” says spokesman Tom Read.

http://staugustine.com/news/business...l#.URbf4Dn3BKM


So - the diesel version is supposedly a half a second slower 0-60 and gets the same mileage as the gas version while GM claims it performs better. Really, it should perform better with 10 more hp and over 100 ft lbs more torque than the gas version. But apparently it doesn't. And all this for more expensive maintenance costs (did you see the timing belt in the diesel engine? The gas engine has a chain) and 30% higher cost of fuel
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:11 PM   #27
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I would assume the cruze eco vs cruze diesel debate will look alot like a big Bandit vs a GSXR-600 debate

I wouldnt doubt the GSXR is quicker, if you know what the hell you're doing. For joe schmoe that doesnt know anything about staying in a powerband the big bandit will be easier to drive quickly / get performance from just like the diesel with its torque at low RPM
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:33 PM   #28
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I would assume the cruze eco vs cruze diesel debate will look alot like a big Bandit vs a GSXR-600 debate

I wouldnt doubt the GSXR is quicker, if you know what the hell you're doing. For joe schmoe that doesnt know anything about staying in a powerband the big bandit will be easier to drive quickly / get performance from just like the diesel with its torque at low RPM
Does that really matter for a Chevy Cruze? It's not like you're pulling a load up the side of a mountain
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:44 PM   #29
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Does that really matter for a Chevy Cruze? It's not like you're pulling a load up the side of a mountain
if he had the Diesel atleast that would be an option!
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:08 PM   #30
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Does that really matter for a Chevy Cruze? It's not like you're pulling a load up the side of a mountain
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if he had the Diesel atleast that would be an option!
Yep. Not gonna drag 3500# uphill with the ECO version, but the diesel should pull it just fine as long as the rest of the powertrain isn't made of marzipan. Make sure that trailer has brakes for going down the other side, though.
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