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Old 01-01-2014, 09:13 AM   #61
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We like such experiments and having a small company fleet allows me to conduct them.

For example, we currently have two mechanically identical Honda Accord V6's. One was run from day one with Dino oil, the other with Mobil One synthetic. We change both at the factory recommended 7,500 miles. Our last oil analysis will be conducted when both hit 180,000 miles this spring.

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give us a report on which oil was superior or if both provided the same results
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:19 AM   #62
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People who are diesel shopping for the fuel economy are probably also interested in saving money on the car, too. Why force people to buy expensive option packages just to get the diesel? Put A/C in it and call it a day. I can live with manual windows and locks, vinyl seats, and no radio.
Because they know many people would go for those stripped out models, and since they can sell the TDI at a premium they might as well get the markup on everything else too.

My Passat was just over 6k cheaper than the lowest trim model TDI you could buy. It's about `1/3 more efficient, maybe a bit less but the S model still gets ~28-30 mixed, up to 34-38 highway.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:41 AM   #63
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Wow! What's your insurance profile? The premium on my Prius is $850/yr. total with full coverage, and high liability limits.

You might want to shop around. . . .
That was what Edmunds.com used for their 5 year cost comparison. It was the only thing keeping the diesels within range.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-compariso...atorId=8723601
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:33 AM   #64
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Oh my God! I should have spoken to you before spending my $26K! We are true economic buyers in this instance.

One recent survey pegged the average price difference between diesel and regular currently at 40 cents per gallon: at the stated average price of $3.49, that's 15%.

Our sales manager has a Prius and it struggles on the highway in general and in the hills of VT, W MA and CT in particular. Mpg drops significantly in the cold of winter. The dealers seem very proud of them. This particular vehicle will be used mostly in Northern New England, and driven 30-40,000 miles per year. We may also tow a small trailer. For the same reason we did not seriously consider the Cruze Eco.

We may at some point buy a hybrid for Metro Boston use where the car would spend more time idling at stop lights and less time going 65-80mph. The dealers were acting stupid about them but we will try again. We were initially looking at the Civic and Ford CMax. We may look at a Prius V also.

We still want to buy the new Ford Transit Connect but it is not available yet.
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I don't know, how many Volkswagens go 300k? I wouldn't even want to ask about the Chevy.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...d-up/index.htm

But the question is fundamentally wrong, Prius battery life would depend on how much city driving one does, where it handily creams the diesel and earns its keep. Even on the highway, the Prius ice still beats the diesels. And we still haven't factored in 20%(!) higher fuel costs. Then it turns out, the Prius also has good resale value.
I don't like Prius, I dislike the early adopters, and I would not buy one, but if I had a business need and economy was the overriding factor as Garandman claimed, the Prius wins easily.
See bolded text. I think Garandman has done his research well, and may have the perfect vehicle for that need.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:37 PM   #65
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We like such experiments and having a small company fleet allows me to conduct them.

For example, we currently have two mechanically identical Honda Accord V6's. One was run from day one with Dino oil, the other with Mobil One synthetic. We change both at the factory recommended 7,500 miles. Our last oil analysis will be conducted when both hit 180,000 miles this spring.
Interested! Lets hope this doesn't die the horrible death of some oil (burner?) threads!
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:50 AM   #66
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give us a report on which oil was superior or if both provided the same results
Thus far (last analysis at 120k) - no discernible difference. Both cars should hit 180k by spring.

We also test a Chevy Express with their oil life system so drain intervals are often 10-11,000 miles. No problems.

The only car that is hard on oil is my WRX. The factory drain interval was 3,750 but they changed to 7,500. The oil took a beating. I'm now changing every 5,000 because it's easy to remember....

Didn't even check what the drain interval or oil capacity is for the CD. I intend to peruse the oowner's manual at length since it is the first diesel I've ever owned: other than four M60A3's and some M113's.
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:49 AM   #67
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Interested! Lets hope this doesn't die the horrible death of some oil (burner?) threads!
That is interesting, but my expert internet opinion is the cost to upgrade to syn
for a n/a gasser isn't worth it unless seeing particularly severe service or using extended intervals. So I would expect similar wear for the engines, based on the popular notion that dino oil is pretty sufficient for normal applications.
It would be interesting to see that experiment run by extending the syn intervals to even out the cost of oil. Can you line that up?

It will be interesting to see a long term review of the little GM shitbox, it would be nice to see it hold up well and produce some good results.
Either way I appreciate seeing some real life data.
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Old 01-02-2014, 12:13 PM   #68
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I've driven the gasser Cruze (several rentals) over a cumulative total of a few thousand miles and found it to be quite a pleasant little car—and a vast improvement over the Cobalt and Cavalier of yore. Here's hoping that the diesel Cruze is the first of a larger selection of diesel choices to come.







Full disclosure: I drive a Passat TDI, the other American-made diesel car.
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:14 PM   #69
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Am I the only one on this thread who actually has one of these?

We picked it up today. I got out of the dealer with a temporary plated and headed to our NH office (where it will live). It was snowing heavily so first stop was a tire dealer in Manchester for a set of General Altimax Arctic snow tires: our preferred Nokians were sold out. Of course that made me late getting to the Town Hall, which closed at 2pm.

According to the trip meter, I've now driven it 110 miles at an average speed of 30mpg and average mpg of 41.1.

The dealer had someone take me through the controls, including sound system and Nav. The seats are leather and quite comfortable. The navigation and sound system interface is much better than our Honda Odyssey. The snits at R&D complained it was loud at idle (though quieter than a TDI) but I did not find that to be the case. You do get some vibration at idle and low rpms relative to most gas engine cars I drive.

Two miles down the road, I thought to myself "I could own one of these myself." This was purchased for our service staff but I'm going to drive it for a while first.

At around 60mph indicated the rpms are about 1,500: redline is 5,000. I couldn't really wring it out because the first part of my trip was on A/S tires in pretty heavy snow. About 70 of the miles were with the snows mounted, much more confident feeling. Average speed was low as the traffic was extremely heavy amongst the "I've been driving nn years in snow and never had a problem without snow tires" crowd going 20 mph.

I think in all that time, the transmission downshifted out of top gear once or twice. There is so much torque your foot barely moves as you go up hill and down. There are a number of electronic "Eco" displays to let you know how you are doing.

There's a blizzard expected tonight so I don't expect to be driving it until Saturday. But so far I'm really impressed.


P.S. It has remote start!
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:25 PM   #70
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Nice to see this thread picked up again! Will look forward to your experiences with this!
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:46 PM   #71
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This is the exact vehicle we bought. But we got a better deal.
http://www.billdelucachevroletbuickg...-MA/2140290353

Edmunds says a Jetta TDI with AM and Nav would cost $26,952.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:58 PM   #72
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Can a diesel turbo fan go 300k miles? Mine on the TDI died at $200k
My '85 300D turbo diesel had 350K when I sold it in running condition with it's original turbo. I had driven it for the previous 100K.

Don't know where VW or MB for that matter sources their turbos, but in other respects, comparing a MB 300 to a VW TDI is probably not a very valid comparison. For one thing, the MB probably has enough metal to build 3 TDI's

The MB-specialist indie that worked on it told me that 300K+ is typical for the turbos, and that diesels put less stress on turbos than gas engines, FWIW.
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:04 PM   #73
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There are some things 'muricans do really well. The interface for the infotainment system blows away our Honda Odyssey in terms of ease of use. The heated seats are even tastier than the Honda: the Subaru seat heater is a distant third.

Timely since it is 0° F. at the moment, I found out how to configure the user settings so that when I use the remote start, the seat heaters will turn on at the same time.

I topped off the tank today as I wasn't sure the dealer had filled it all the way. The system said I'd used 3.7 gallons of fuel: I put in exactly 3.7 gallons. I'd gone 140 miles so the first partial mpg reading is 37.8.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:39 AM   #74
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I have had a cruze eco (gasser) 6speed for over a year now and it's a great car. The body panels are easy to dent, the eco has thinner metal than the normal cruze's to keep weight down.


Current tank is around 40mpg. On the highway cruise set, ac off, 65mph, I can get around 50 mpg on longer trips, 45mpg on short highway trips. Yesterday briefly saw an average of 99.99mpg coasting. City driving I get mid 30s.
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:13 PM   #75
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Let me get this straight: The Cruze Diesel burns fuel that is up to 25% more expensive but gets the same 42 mpg that the Cruze eco gasser gets, and the diesel version costs thousands more to purchase. Got it.

Way to go GM. You've re-entered the passenger car diesel market for the first time in a quarter century and right out of the gate you offer no quantifiable advantage whatsoever for driving an oil burner. All you need now is a track record to rival your previous generation converted Olds 350 Diesel and you can kill the passenger car diesel market in North America all over again
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