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Old 09-22-2013, 12:45 PM   #466
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Very satisfied so far!

Thx Erling!

I'll take U up on that, saving map-versions. Didn't for starters but as one develops them they become increasingly valuable!

About SAS, PAS soforth, I still have the circuitry connected, the only block is a wood plug in th #17 valve, so the bike can't get air that way. As the map evolved, popping on decel is all but gone.

Uploaded the FUEL map so far, and the target AFR I used from Dynojet! Any thoughts are most welcome. The idle-hop, strangely, is better?!?!

The nigt ended in cold weather, rain pouring down. Had an impact on idle when no load was on the Engine. A bit twitchy when just on the side stand. Worked great anyway when actually putting a gear in, riding the bike. I guess U have to ride under those conditions and trim for that aswell...



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FUEL as of now, with 6-7 trims accepted:




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Old 09-22-2013, 01:46 PM   #467
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Fantaboulistic...... It would be interesting if you one day could return the SAS to stock, and ride it, as I would like to see if I am the only one that felt the bike runs worse with it capped.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:04 PM   #468
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Fantaboulistic...... It would be interesting if you one day could return the SAS to stock, and ride it, as I would like to see if I am the only one that felt the bike runs worse with it capped.
Maybe, maybe, it would take some trimming again and reworking the process. According to old answers from DJ, they only recommend blocking the hose. Nothing about the rest of th SAS, the solenoid, reed-valves and other components.

I wonder how this FUEL table can have an impact on the idle hop-off!?! It just seems to have made the mix leaner!?! Well, it seems to work anyway...

Time to bid you good night! A million thanks!
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:23 PM   #469
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Ebrabaek, any noticeable change in fuel economy?

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Old 09-22-2013, 03:27 PM   #470
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Maybe, maybe, it would take some trimming again and reworking the process. According to old answers from DJ, they only recommend blocking the hose. Nothing about the rest of th SAS, the solenoid, reed-valves and other components.

I wonder how this FUEL table can have an impact on the idle hop-off!?! It just seems to have made the mix leaner!?! Well, it seems to work anyway...

Time to bid you good night! A million thanks!
Yeppers....... Happy riding.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:34 PM   #471
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Ebrabaek, any noticeable change in fuel economy?

Thank, David
The mpg, is about the same. When I do the tank vs miles I end up about in the mid to upper 50's. The computer will yield about the same results..... Perhaps a mile or two more, but overall nothing has changed since I did this. I wish there was a better chip, thyat worked with the BMSK, rather than against it. Dyno Jet have been ok, but not able to add anything that is not already in this thread. When you approached them on other issues, like coolant hook up, or other of the hook up the PC-5 is capable of, they they are worthless. Looking back at this, I would do it all over again, but their product is overpriced. The two should run about 300-350 us$. It does fix the fueling, but I wanna know more, and no body at DJ have been able to add to this. I will have a look this week, and change the mapping to 13.8, on the below 50% throttle, and see what happens.
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Thanks. More better power and same fuel economy is a win in my book. Good job.

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Old 09-23-2013, 05:27 AM   #473
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Thanks. More better power and same fuel economy is a win in my book. Good job.

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The mpg, is about the same. When I do the tank vs miles I end up about in the mid to upper 50's. The computer will yield about the same results..... Perhaps a mile or two more, but overall nothing has changed since I did this. I wish there was a better chip, thyat worked with the BMSK, rather than against it. Dyno Jet have been ok, but not able to add anything that is not already in this thread. When you approached them on other issues, like coolant hook up, or other of the hook up the PC-5 is capable of, they they are worthless. Looking back at this, I would do it all over again, but their product is overpriced. The two should run about 300-350 us$. It does fix the fueling, but I wanna know more, and no body at DJ have been able to add to this. I will have a look this week, and change the mapping to 13.8, on the below 50% throttle, and see what happens.
Hi Erling, the BMW-AF-XIED will be available at Beemerboneyard next week. Price with cables is about $200. One adjustment control but no computer needed. It works with the BMSK and leaves it fully functional.

Jscottyk has been beta testing it this summer. Same great results as on the 1100, 1150, and 1200.
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Old 09-24-2013, 07:41 AM   #475
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Hi Erling, the BMW-AF-XIED will be available at Beemerboneyard next week. Price with cables is about $200. One adjustment control but no computer needed. It works with the BMSK and leaves it fully functional. RB
Very curious, checked it out. It never enriches to more than 13.8? Is it overkill to use DJ:s maps, that vary between 13.2 and 13.8 or so?

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Hi Erling, the BMW-AF-XIED will be available at Beemerboneyard next week. Price with cables is about $200. One adjustment control but no computer needed. It works with the BMSK and leaves it fully functional.

Jscottyk has been beta testing it this summer. Same great results as on the 1100, 1150, and 1200.
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I have been watching this, but before I decide, I would like to see, and know more about it, and would like someone to stick it on a dyno, for validation purposes. I was expecting more post from JS, during the beta testing.... But as a beta tester for Rekluse, I understand how you cannot comment much during testing...... I am interested, as more is published.
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Very curious, checked it out. It never enriches to more than 13.8? Is it overkill to use DJ:s maps, that vary between 13.2 and 13.8 or so?

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There are actually a couple settings that are richer than that.

You'll find this interesting: the maps that you're looking at with targets of 13.2:1 at full throttle are too lean. That's a problem with Autotune, you have to have the skill to pick the correct target.

For example, on my 1150, WOT produces an AFR of about 12.8:1. Your F800GS does too, in stock configuration no less.
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There are actually a couple settings that are richer than that.

You'll find this interesting: the maps that you're looking at with targets of 13.2:1 at full throttle are too lean. That's a problem with Autotune, you have to have the skill to pick the correct target.

For example, on my 1150, WOT produces an AFR of about 12.8:1. Your F800GS does too, in stock configuration no less.
Really interesting, trying to learn this! Do you believe that the DJ target AFR:s, the ones I posted, could be improved upon? Does the AT work well enough to reach those AFR:s? I'm a complete beginner, bought the DJ stuff a year ago mainly to make the low speed, low gear manouvering better and lessen the idle hop-off effect.

Any thoughts are most welcome! The bike runs clearly better with the PCV+AT than without, but it seems as if even more can be achieved?

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Old 09-24-2013, 01:11 PM   #479
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I understand wanting to see a Dyno, I just don't understand the relevance. I am trying to understand how a Dyno run relates to idle hop, low rpm surging, or off throttle response. Is the product designed to increase horsepower or better throttle control? Dyno's are essential for building a motor to run on a track but I have yet to see anyone ride that way on the street.

With all of the data we have seen maybe a Dyno would validate it but I do not see how. There would still be quedtions regarding the accuracy of the Dyno and the skill of the operator and various other conditions.

Again, I totally understand wanting to know things, that is good, I question how a Dyno will relate to the things we are wanting to correct.

I'm interested in your thoughts.

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I understand wanting to see a Dyno, I just don't understand the relevance. I am trying to understand how a Dyno run relates to idle hop, low rpm surging, or off throttle response. Is the product designed to increase horsepower or better throttle control? Dyno's are essential for building a motor to run on a track but I have yet to see anyone ride that way on the street.

With all of the data we have seen maybe a Dyno would validate it but I do not see how. There would still be quedtions regarding the accuracy of the Dyno and the skill of the operator and various other conditions.

Again, I totally understand wanting to know things, that is good, I question how a Dyno will relate to the things we are wanting to correct.

I'm interested in your thoughts.



Be well.

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Quite elementary My Doctor Watson....... Sorry I couldn't resist. It is quite simple though, as using a dyno takes the rider out of the equation. It is, and should be docced, with a dyno run before, and after install to see what has/is changing, as many like who puts on an open pipe, will swear it runs better, but are fooled by the larger perceptual noise output of said pipe. As we are all ( most I think) not just chasing a better running bike ( idle hop, and control) but more power in general. Then the only way to verify this is with a dyno. Off course we don't all have to do this, but as with new apps.....I do not trust DJ a bit with their dyno graphs, but had access to a great tuner, and validated the results of my install with the dyno. Your product is new, and in my humble oppinion should be dynoed as well, as it could proove usefull, not just for the general running of the bike, but as a performance tool with an open exhaust system.
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