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Old 02-10-2013, 09:33 AM   #16
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Trusting mirrors leads to bad things. Always look or pay the consequences.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:52 AM   #17
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Trusting mirrors leads to bad things. Always look or pay the consequences.
Mirrors do not lie they only reflect what is. If you have proper mirrors there are no blind spots.
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:58 AM   #18
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How could one even THINK about not to head check? Especially with the reduced vision from inside a cage. Crazy.

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With propper mirrors there should not be a blind spot.
And there should be world peace, there should be gender equality, there should be someone who presents me with one or two million dollars. Yet...
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:03 AM   #19
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With propper mirrors there should not be a blind spot.
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Mirrors do not lie they only reflect what is. If you have proper mirrors there are no blind spots.
And where do you get these mythical "proper" mirrors? In a cage there is always going to be some sort of blind spot, even with fish eyes. Even on the bike there is a little blind spot...enough to do a quick head check, although I always do it no matter what vehicle I am in/on. New riders are also taught to do head checks in the BRC while changing lanes due to the BLIND SPOT...

As to the original question...From the Virginia drivers manual, Page 16...

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Changing Lanes

Before changing lanes, check your side and rear view mirrors
for traffic approaching you from behind. Then, use your turn
signal to let other drivers know you plan to change lanes.
Check for other drivers who also may be moving into the
same lane. Just before you begin moving into the other lane,
quickly glance over your shoulder
http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv39.pdf

It's been that way since before I started driving 36 years ago.
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:19 AM   #20
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I do it before any lane change in a cage, on my bike, etc.

it's also in the CA driver's handbook IIRC.

like someone mentioned. everytime an a-hole cager comes close to side swiping me it was not performed.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:33 PM   #21
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I think there are a lot of people here who have never driven a panel van, a box truck, or a big rig. All are impossible to do a head check in. The ONLY rear view is via mirrors.

And if you ride near these trucks, always bear in mind that if you can't see the driver's face in his side mirror, he can't see you, either.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:26 PM   #22
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WTF. You are supposed to do a head check while driving to clear your blindspot. One of the more scary near-hits I experienced was some idiot in a van who changed lanes without headchecking while I was in the process of rolling past on a two lane highway.

If you are not regularly checking your blindspot before changing lanes while driving, I hope we never share the same street.
driver's training in every country I've ever lived in.

head check-- mirrors can't show you everything you need. A lot my close calls come from people not taking a second to look over their shoulder.

Which is why the number one rule in heavy metro traffic is to ride aggressively in order to keep out of blind spots.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:41 PM   #23
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Trusting mirrors in ANY vehicle is about as reliable as trusting politicians.

I have noticed that since riding that when driving I'm much more paranoid about giving other drivers the opportunity to run into me.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:15 PM   #24
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Trusting mirrors in ANY vehicle is about as reliable as trusting politicians.

I have noticed that since riding that when driving I'm much more paranoid about giving other drivers the opportunity to run into me.
Yep. Blind spots in cages vary a lot--a lot of newer cars with more angled front and back glass and HUGE pillars have massive blind spots. Some older cars actually have none. My old Volvo with Euro-spec convex mirrors on both sides had no blind spots; by the time even a Vespa was out of the side mirror, he would be right next to me. I still turned my head to check, though.

As for being paranoid, I was driving a 10-ton stakebed delivery truck loaded with furniture with a co-worker in the passenger seat. I sped up to get past a car on the freeway instead of passing slowly; my passenger asked "what was that for?" My answer? "I don't want him to merge into me if he doesn't see me." Laughs were had by all...
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:18 PM   #25
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Mirrors do not lie they only reflect what is. If you have proper mirrors there are no blind spots.
bullshit

alwasys turn ur head and look
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:20 PM   #26
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What is a "proper" mirror?
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:34 PM   #27
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I think Dakez is probably refering to making sure the side mirrors on your cage are adjusted wide enough that you can not see the side of your car in the mirror -- which is how most people do it, and does not give you the side view you are supposed to have.

Even so, with the mirror adjusted correctly, there are still blind spots on some vehicles and I'm not risking the life of some motorcyclist because I'm too lazy to turn my fuckin' head.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:25 PM   #28
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i think dakez is probably refering to making sure the side mirrors on your cage are adjusted wide enough that you can not see the side of your car in the mirror -- which is how most people do it, and does not give you the side view you are supposed to have.

Even so, with the mirror adjusted correctly, there are still blind spots on some vehicles and i'm not risking the life of some motorcyclist because i'm too lazy to turn my fuckin' head.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:33 PM   #29
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Car mirrors suck and leave huge blind spots. When I drove and taught others to drive transit buses, you had to trust the mirrors but they were much better mirrors. You also had to remember that the right was your blind side as a head check didn't really help.

Do what you need to, mirrors, head checks are to get the best picture of what is around you and then realize, you still didn't see everything.

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Old 02-10-2013, 07:23 PM   #30
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bullshit

alwasys turn ur head and look
You need better mirrors.
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