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Old 07-30-2013, 11:14 PM   #526
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My wife's Harley started acting up on a trip in California ( fowled plug) and asked at a gas station where the nearest dealership was.

Gas station owner says get back on the highway and take the next exit, the nearest Ducati or BMW dealers was more like 200 miles away.
And that seriously is a major reason why an HD is a good choice for someone who really travels a lot via motorcycle. For all the crap Harley riders take about owning garage jewelry and such (and that is justified to some extent), when I've been on long multi-day rides, I've seen far more traveling Harley's than probably everything else combined.

Plus, most dealers have a reputation of being extremely helpful to travelers who break down in order to get them on the road again quickly. Before Buell shut down I had an issue with a tire a few hundred miles from home and the dealer, who serviced Buells, could not have been nicer to me, even calling in a mechanic after hours to change my tire.

I've had friends break down on Honda's that haven't had nearly the positive experience. Not even close. I'm a couple years from my next bike purchase, but a big Harley tourer is on my list for this reason - I'd like to do some more long trips again (a toddler has kind of limited that for the time being, so I ride when I can), and knowing there is good support everywhere is a nice bit of piece of mind.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:32 AM   #527
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Hey I understand. I bought a '99 that I thought I was

going to have to sell until I had an upholstery guy raise my stock seat height about 3 1/2" inches ... which is a huge difference that MADE a huge difference. Before I felt like my knees were up to my ears after more than a few miles, I was so cramped (I'm 6'). Now I can ride the thing all day, and I have.

Sportsters are great bikes, but let's face it, unmodified, they fit SHORT people better.

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I changed the seat on my 07 sportster 1200. After just that I rode a bit over 950 miles in three days up through the BRP and surrounding roads. No problems at all keeping a good pace.
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:05 AM   #528
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I do wish some of you guys who tantalize us with saying you fixed the riding positions of modern Harleys would show pictures of you on your bikes.
Check out a Road King or any of HD's Touring bikes. Very neutral position. Since I'm the rider I've got very few pics of me on the bike so grabbed one off the web.





I added a rider backrest to mine, makes it even more comfortable. Best bike I've had when it comes to racking up long, ache-free distances...

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Old 07-31-2013, 04:14 AM   #529
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Check out a Road King or any of HD's Touring bikes. Very neutral position. Since I'm the rider I've got very few pics of me on the bike so grabbed one off the web.





I added a rider backrest to mine, makes it even more comfortable. Best bike I've had when it comes to racking up long, ache-free distances...

Yes, and if the rider would slide his feet back so that the balls of his feet are about where his heels are, that's a pretty good riding position. Not quite neutral, but very usable. That's how I rode a lot of the time.
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:21 AM   #530
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Yes, and if the rider would slide his feet back so that the balls of his feet are about where his heels are, that's a pretty good riding position. Not quite neutral, but very usable. That's how I rode a lot of the time.
The huge advantage of the RK compared to my Super Tenere (with its neutral position) is that I can rest my legs in three positions: on the floorboards, on the highway pegs and on the passenger floorboards. This greatly reduces fatigue on long trips, especially involving superslab. With my bad knees, I also find the slightly forward standard foot position to be a bit more comfortable than having my legs straight under me.
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:47 AM   #531
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Check out a Road King or any of HD's Touring bikes. Very neutral position. Since I'm the rider I've got very few pics of me on the bike so grabbed one off the web.




But that's exactly my point - it's the MUCH heavier, much more expensive Harleys that had the riding position I'd want, yet I don't want the cost, and don't want the weight. As I wrote, I'm looking for an every-day bike that, just like those 1930's ones, would be lighter and be great ADV bikes.

Remember ... what this site is about?

Harley used to make comfortable bikes across the line, not just for the geezer RK paved road-based-only crowd.
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:51 AM   #532
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I'm looking for an every-day bike that, just like those 1930's ones, would be lighter and be great ADV bikes.

Remember ... what this site is about?

Harley used to make comfortable bikes across the line, not just for the geezer RK paved road-based-only crowd.
Just pick up a used XL1200R...





Btw, the RK is better on dirt that you might expect and pushing nearly 900 lbs loaded up it's really an adventure!

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Old 07-31-2013, 04:58 AM   #533
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In Australia, all the Harleys I have seen have tubed tyres, even the ones with cast wheels.
My mate has a XR1200 with cast wheels and yet the tyres have tubes, a PITA when we are out in the bush.

Is there any model Harley that runs TUBELESS tyres from stock ?
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:02 AM   #534
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Just pick up a used XL1200R...
Or any other Sportster with midsets and reasonable bars.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:06 AM   #535
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heck yeah, and cast wheels. and a mustang seat. and air shocks. I bet that is a VERY comfortable ride/ riding position. Plus 50 mpg and little maintenance. Perfect/
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:22 AM   #536
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In Australia, all the Harleys I have seen have tubed tyres, even the ones with cast wheels.
My mate has a XR1200 with cast wheels and yet the tyres have tubes, a PITA when we are out in the bush.

Is there any model Harley that runs TUBELESS tyres from stock ?
I've never heard of that before, must be OZ only...
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:26 AM   #537
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Thanks, that was quick.

Yeah, I check out every Harley I see (and we've got a lot) and all of them have tubes fitted.
I'd love to know how the riders fix a flat with only a side stand.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:40 AM   #538
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I do wish some of you guys who tantalize us with saying you fixed the riding positions of modern Harleys would show pictures of you on your bikes.








Show me a sportster, or really any modern Harley, with a true neutral riding position like those two bikes since you all say you've done it.

I had money trying to burn a hole in my wallet, and searched and searched for any modern sportster parts / builds that came anywhere near those (because I wanted a true American neutral-sitting ADV bike, and was going to build one based off of the way classic bikes were built), but after a few years of searching many a Harley thread (especially here on ADVrider), I've come up with just about nothing.

But not only that... that I've seen Harley isn't making anything comfortable save for the largest and most expensive ones.
Well, while I understand how it could be helpful I don't have any pictures of me riding my bike. I guess "neutral" is sorta relative too, in a way.

For the bar bend and position...

Some people seem to prefer the laid back riding position. But to me, I think that unless you have a big barn door windshield and some sort of back rest, you need some degree of forward lean to counteract and balance your torso against the wind blast on a naked bike like I prefer. IMO, if the bars are too high or far back and your torso is straight up, or worse, leaned back, you have to use your muscles to keep yourself upright against the wind instead of balancing your weight against it. For ME and my build, arm length, etc, I find that the stock bars on my 48 give me just the perfect balance of being upright enough to not put weight on my hands and wrists, while still allowing me to comfortably lean forward into the wind. Slight adjustments in elbow angle and lean allow me to adjust this balance at speeds ranging between 0 and 80 or so.

As far as foot placement...

Again, some people prefer their feet out in front of them. But, again, for ME, I find this very uncomfortable. It rotates by hips slightly and concentrates all of my body weight on my tailbone and bony parts of my pelvis instead of the meaty part (I don't have much of that meaty part anyway ) and thighs. It also keeps your ass planted with no real way of shifting your weight or lifting slightly out of the seat to absorb big impacts. It just isn't a good control position, IMO. It's fine for the knees, but not much else. BUT, the mid control position does away with all of these issues. It moves my feet back and slightly rotates my hips to relieve the pressure points on my bony ass. It also allows me to actually weight the pegs now instead of just sitting there. I can now raise up out of the seat at will and it puts me in a much better control position. It also is well balanced with my bar position so that the slightly forward reach to the bars is neutral instead of folding me over like a taco as in one of the earlier pics of the guy on the 48. I would actually prefer it if I could move the pegs back about another 3-4" but that's just because I'm used to having my feet more under me and not because the current mid mount position presents any real comfort or control issues like I had with the forwards. I'd say that my knees are roughly at a 90 degree angle and my hips are slightly less than 90 degrees when sitting at the most upright position, such as at low speeds. I noticed on my trip last Sunday, that at the end of the day nothing hurt. That's unusual for me. When on my GS on that same trip, my knees are usually starting to bother me a bit before I get home. So, overall I'd have to say that the current ergonomics of my slightly modified 48 works pretty damn well for MY body. YMMV.

As far as my riding position....

Imagine the picture you posted, and that I quoted above. Now move the riders feet straight back so that they fall directly below his knees, and you'll have a pretty good idea of what I have now. Or, take a look at twinrider's pic above and imagine that peg placement with slightly lower and more forward bars.

Now, with all of that said, not every bike fits every rider. There is no such thing as "one size fits all". At least not perfectly. We're all built different. I'm not a tall or big guy. I can be comfortable with my current set-up and low seat. A taller, longer legged rider may need a taller seat to relieve the knee angle, but I would think that that'd be about all the changes necessary. A lot of tall guys seem to move the pegs forward instead, and IMO, that's the wrong approach because of what it does to the rest of the rider's body position. I think this could be because of people's preoccupation with having a low seat height. I don't really get that since it is one of the three contact points of the rider triangle that can be adjusted to suit a rider's particular build Keeping it as low as possible severely limits what can be done to improve rider comfort. It's my opinion that the bar-peg relationship is just right on my bike, and that raising the seat height could adjust for taller riders pretty well without moving anything else. But that all depends on torso length, leg length, arm length, and the ratios of all those on the particular rider in question. The mid mount controls would probably work well for most, when combined with the right seat height, and perhaps a slightly taller bar as long as the bars aren't swept back too far.

BUT, that's just one guys interpretation and opinion of what makes for a comfortable riding position. YMMV.

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Old 07-31-2013, 05:43 AM   #539
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Just pick up a used XL1200R...




Awesome looking bike! CONGRATS!
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:04 AM   #540
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Well yes, sorta...

I didn't need the seat or the mufflers. Both of those were simple personal tastes things. I actually don't mind the stock seat. As I said, my new one wasn't about comfort so much as the aesthetic I wanted for this particular bike. The bar position is PERFECT, IMO. And some people may actually prefer the stock quiet exhaust. And not all Sportsters have forward controls. In fact, not very long ago they were an exception.... a thing that guys added to their bikes. They still do actually, which is why I didn't have any problem finding my mids, and could probably triple my money if I sold the forwards that came on the bike. I spent $65 and about 20 minutes making the swap. It's a simple bolt off, bolt on, change. And, yeah, I did a whopping 100 bucks worth of suspension "mods" using stock Harley Sportster parts. Lots of guys lower their bikes too.

I didn't touch the bars, or A/F, and I don't have a Power Commander. Runs just great as it is now.

People farkle their bikes all the time, but to say that they are no good without a list of things is going a bit far, IMO.

My point was that the Sportster is a good bike, fully capable of being ridden more than just down to the local bar. I will admit though, that IMO, the factory suspension on the new models does suck. I've made statements to that effect in this thread and the "Go Sportster" thread. Harley followed the styling trend and offered what most of their customer were doing to their bikes, as stock.

I guess why I take exception with negative blanket statements like that is that it gives people that may otherwise be interested in a bike, the wrong idea about them. I was just making the point that it doesn't require huge, complicated, expensive mods to make even the 48 a fine machine for actually riding. Do I wish that Harley still offered the Roadster? Sure, but they don't. But that doesn't keep me, or others like me that like the bikes, from making the newer models every bit as useful and enjoyable.

I can say this partly because I used to be a Harley basher myself. And before I knew better, a lot of my prejudice came from reading things just like the comment that I responded to above. But now that I DO know better, I find myself really enjoying the bike. Honestly, now that I've actually owned one, I really can't ever see myself without one. Maybe not as an only bike, but I hope I'm never in that situation, cause it'd be real hard to let a Sportster not have a place in my garage.

Well, after rereading things I see that I probably came off a little brash...

But, I just see so much bashing and negativity regarding various Harleys... well, like I said above, just trying to give the other side of it a bit so that people can see the whole story and hopefully make an educated decision. Taken at face value, comments like that can make people never look into it far enough to see just how easy it can be to make these bikes pretty damn good and a whole lot of fun.
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