2012 Yamaha X Max

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Phipsd

What new ballgame? Every bike has it's strengths and weaknesses, including Kymco. I know they are good bikes but there is nothing Kymco makes that works for me.
The closest would be the GTI 300 People. Compared to my bike, most people go all gaga over the Kymco because it's got more power and ABS, but it's mostly about the power. I can live without the extra power and the ABS although I wouldn't turn them down if I could have them.

What I can't live without is the extra two inches of wheelbase and the large under seat storage. I don't fit on the GTi300 and the idea of sticking my stuff into a top box at the back of the bike so that it can screw up the steering strikes me as dumb.

So does that make the Kymco a bad bike ? Not at all. As you know they are an excellent bike, just not my kind of bike. The Citycom with it's 'pathetic' 20 HP, 130 kph top speed, lack of ABS; but with it's comfort, handling and storage is.

Different strokes for different folks.

My point is that most of the scooter folk I meet seem to be obsessed with HP and it doesn't make much sense to me. There are lots of other good reasons to own a particular scoot.

+1 .. but I was just pointing out that I came from a 72hp bike of same
weight and that 20hp scoots were underpowered for me - I was looking
at the 500cc class actually, but decided that 90 vs 100mph wasn't
important enough.

I need a bike that will do the typical city scooter stuff, BUT, be able to
cruise at 80+ for 5 hours if I need to get somewhere fast.

[vainamoinen]

Oh boy this site is an amazing thing and an wonderfull fountain of info. Mister Cortez you rock! :)

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by vainamoinen

Oh boy this site is an amazing thing and an wonderfull fountain of info. Mister Cortez you rock! :)

[Phipsd]

Me.....I've got a scooter that cruises easily at 70 mph, but it's more comfortable. I was reading with interest the 'Just gotta scoot' guy and he has a GTi300 which he loves. He said he has put a fair amount of effort into upgrading his bike and it still isn't as comfortable as a Citycom. At my age a less comfortable bike would be more painful and that would mean much less riding.

More importantly, local speed limits and enforcement mean that I can't even ride my V-strom 1000 any faster than I would ride my scooter if I want to keep my licence and my wallet.

The bottom line is that we have different needs, different bikes and neither one of us would likely be willing to trade:)

[Phipsd]

Cortez: 80 plus mph for long distances. That's making 300cc work. I wouldn't even push 400cc that hard these days. There is a price to be paid.

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by Phipsd

Cortez: 80 plus mph for long distances. That's making 300cc work. I wouldn't even push 400cc that hard these days. There is a price to be paid.

With Dr Pulley sliders, I've got 80mph indicated at 7000 revs.
The rev limiter kicks in at 8700.

I usually cruise around 6500 revs where the torque peak is (75mph)
when I'm gonna go far away.

I won't keep it over 75 for more then a few minutes.

Considering that the stock bike will do over 90mph indicated, I'm not
too worried about 80mph at 500 revs less then where the stock bike
would be.

With my huge windscreen and topcase, I often can't even rev it out to
where it makes peak power (8000).

Don't forget that this 300cc engine makes about the same power as
400cc scoots.

[103sp]

hello
excuse my language ... I'm french ... nobody is perfect
I think XMAX 250 is the best scooter for urban use ...and more

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by 103sp

hello
excuse my language ... I'm french ... nobody is perfect

Sounds like something J. Clarkson would say.

[103sp]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Sounds like something J. Clarkson would say.

J. Clarkson is not my reference

[Cortez]

That works too!

Welcome to the asylum!

[103sp]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Welcome to the asylum!

THX Cortez

[Cortez]

Originally Posted by 103sp

THX Cortez

[Phipsd]

Originally Posted by Cortez

With Dr Pulley sliders, I've got 80mph indicated at 7000 revs.
The rev limiter kicks in at 8700.

I usually cruise around 6500 revs where the torque peak is (75mph)
when I'm gonna go far away.

I won't keep it over 75 for more then a few minutes.

Considering that the stock bike will do over 90mph indicated, I'm not
too worried about 80mph at 500 revs less then where the stock bike
would be.

With my huge windscreen and topcase, I often can't even rev it out to
where it makes peak power (8000).

Don't forget that this 300cc engine makes about the same power as
400cc scoots.

Ok with the sliders to drop your rpm down somewhat and 80 mph indicated; that makes perfect sense to me Korean speedos being what they usually are.

My bike runs sweetly at an indicated 120 kph, actual speed is 110 kph and that would be at 7000 rpm. The Com is bone stock, no sliders yet but I'm thinking about it. Most of the time I also tend to cruise around 6500 rpm.

So if you are running mostly 75 mph indicated, that would be a restful cruise for your bike. So would an indicated 80 mph if you are looking at 7000 rpm, that's also below the HP peak of your engine.

The bike would have to work a lot harder to do an actual 80mph. I wouldn't even think about it on mine, it would be flat out. Your bike would do it much more easily but it would be making it work harder than is optimal for long engine life I believe.
The actual top speed of a stock 300 Kymco from different reports I have read is 87 mph. That should be around an indicated 95 mph.

[Cortez]

The speedometer on the DT300 and People 300 is very accurate, the
Xciting was WAAAY off.

I tried 2 different GPSs on 3 different bikes (2xDT300 & 1xPeople 300),
indicated 65mph is 62mph actual.

I've seen 85 on GPS tops.

Anyways, forget that, get the Dr Pulley sliders, they're amazing.
Start with 10% lighter then stock and go from there.

[Phipsd]

Cortez: Are the sliders able to adjust on hills any when running at highway speeds?

The reason why I ask is that I live on the West Coast of British Columbia surrounded by the Coastal mountain range. One reason I haven't gone to sliders is the drop in rpms at highway speeds. That's the last thing I need.

Before I got a new CVT belt at 21000 km I noticed a curious thing with the old worn belt. At a level cruise the rpm's were about the same as always. However on big hills I had maybe 300-400 more rpms and the difference in performance was HUGE. The bike could accelerate quickly on hills when running at speed, where it couldn't before.

That experience taught me that even a small increase in rpms under load compared to stock; makes for an outsize difference in performance and a much more responsive fun bike.

If the sliders can do that they would be the cat's meow.