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Old 02-25-2013, 02:14 AM   #16
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What's your budget?

Are you planning new or used?

I would look at a 05-07 KTM RFS bike, or the 500 EXC or 690 as suggested.
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Old 02-25-2013, 04:36 AM   #17
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see if you can find a low mileage 2011 Husaberg 570. Awesome bikes, plenty of power, light, no kickstart, but....
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:55 AM   #18
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WR upgrade

I also went from a WR250R to a KTM690 and am very happy, KTM are very expensive but seem to be worth it. The 690 is great on the road, and down right awesome off road, weight with extra fuel and the normal stuff I ride with is around 325 which is around the same weight that my WR was but with a lot more power. Also its a lot more stable at speed than the WR was. IMO the 690 is the way to go with whats available in the market now
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:37 AM   #19
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...I want perceived Japanese price and reliability...
Fixed it for you...

2012 Yamaha WR250R-$6590
2012 Yamaha WR250F-$6890 (not street legal in US)
2012 Yamaha WR450F-$8090 (not street legal in US)

Expect the magical WR450R to cost between $8-9k, and our (mine and my wife's) Husqvarnas are more reliable than our Japanese bike(s). We just bought my wife a 2012 Husky TE250 (street legal) left over for $6000 (let me spell that out...that's $590 less that a WR250R).

It would be so much easier and more honest if the Japanese bike fanboys would just say "I just like Jap bikes better" instead of trying to hammer us with these false statements and arguments
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:45 AM   #20
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To the OP...

If you want a bike like your WR250R, but with upgraded everything, I would urge you to look at the 2006-2009 Husqvarna TE 610's, or the 2010-2011 TE630's. No, they don't have a kick start back up, and you need to inspect the valve lash more often than 26,000 miles. They do have 3000 mile oil change intervals, tons of power, wide ratio transmission, close to the same weight, and are fairly reliable...along with having top shelf components (brakes, suspension, exhaust, etc)
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:08 AM   #21
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Price isn't really a factor here... I just don't want to blow a wad of cash on something that is a poor investment.

Japanese, Italian, Austrian, German... doesn't matter to me.

To the suggestion of the XR650R... I rode a XR600R quite a bit in college and enjoyed it. It wasn't mine but I borrowed it daily for a while. I contemplated purchasing the bike off him but I was flat broke at the time. Good thing too because the engine locked up on him one day at interstate speeds. He ended up pulling it apart and giving up after he found out the connecting rod was some sort of press fit... or something to that effect.

I know the XR's are the Baja kings... I worry about long term reliability on them (age) and their typically weak stators. I plan on getting a XR600 some time in my future as a toy. First thing I would want to do if I had an XR is pull the entire thing apart and replace everything. I don't currently have a garage in order to do that so they are out of the running right now.

If there's a TE610 for sale in the South East area that is low mileage and good condition I would most likely buy it. I'm due to come home sometime between Mid-March and Mid-April.

Right now it seems as if the 690 is winning. I could sell the Tiger and the WR250R and the 690 could replace them both. I just wish it had a kick start.

I saw a picture in the 500EXC thread of a large crack in the bottom of a piston. Has me kind of worried about KTM being too far into the "race bike" category to be a reliable daily bike.

How about the 350 EXC-F. Does a little less power equal less stress on components and better reliability?
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:29 AM   #22
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The name had crossed my mind a few times but I never really checked them out.

Beta has 3 new dual sport offerings. The 400/450/520 RS... and they have a pretty neat BYOB (Build Your Own Beta) customizer that has some really nice looking farkles.

I wouldn't even know where the hell to go to purchase a Beta. So far they look right along the lines of what I am looking for... kickstart and all. I'll have to do some digging to find out their reliability.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:30 AM   #23
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BMW G650x?

After selling my Tiger800xc, I had narrowed it down to the WRR & the little beemer...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524638

If, as you say, you can spend whatever you want - this would be an awesome project and a bigger go anywhere bike for you.

I decided I wanted smaller & lighter so went with the Yamaha, and you won't be seeing me on many slabs :)
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:36 AM   #24
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Don't feel alone, we all want a 450 dual sport bike in the under 300 lb. range.

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Look no further, the ktm 350/500 exc's are these bikes.

If you keep the tiger, the 350/500 is the way to go. 50lbs lighter and almost 2x the horsepower as your wr. Valve checks are not difficult, if your not racing maintenance intervals can be stretched. I've got my 350 setup as my long distance tourer, took the bike apart, put it back together and set it up for this purpose. Pretty easy bike to work on. The 500 will get more speed on the slab as the 350 with 14/50 will run out to 85, the 500 to nearly 100.

If your looking for one doitall bike, theres really nothing performance wise that matches the 690.

Personally I prefer purpose built steeds, hence the exc for dirt touring, multistrada for road touring. I don't find the maintenance to be excessive on the exc for dirt touring (coming from honda). I plan on doing the tat with the exc as well. $.02
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:45 AM   #25
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The name had crossed my mind a few times but I never really checked them out.

Beta has 3 new dual sport offerings. The 400/450/520 RS... and they have a pretty neat BYOB (Build Your Own Beta) customizer that has some really nice looking farkles.

I wouldn't even know where the hell to go to purchase a Beta. So far they look right along the lines of what I am looking for... kickstart and all. I'll have to do some digging to find out their reliability.
I think, when I was in chatanooga last fall, theres a beta dealer there. I owned an xr650 and while it was an awesome bulletproof bike, it has less power and is heavier than either exc. I would say the cracked piston is probably not a common occurance. The differnce in the two excs is the stroke. The 500 will have more low end, although with the megabomb and q4 muffler and 5 more teeth on the rear the little 350 has plenty for me. Wont tractor like the xr but is faster and lighter.
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Old 02-25-2013, 02:40 PM   #26
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Might consider punching the WRR out to 290cc. I had a WRX with dirt tires and it was awesome. You need to fully uncork it and get a prg FI module to get the best out of the motor. I ran fully geared up in NV and can do a true 87mph all day.

What I loved about it is the super low maint, and great mileage 60mpg.

Have you already rewired your grip heaters to an ign 12v, rather than a hot 12v?
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:37 PM   #27
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Well I ride a F800 and plan on keeping it although I am also looking for something much lighter for weekend trail rides closer to home. I have been eyeing the Husky 511 for over a year and now that I am part of the working crowd again plan on getting once I get back to the states!
Only issue to me is the lack of a significant sub-frame which will limit the weight I can carry but that is kind of the idea, to me anyway!
Good luck figuring it all out!
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:59 PM   #28
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Maybe not as flash as the bikes mentioned here - Kawasaki KLX250S modified with 351cc big bore kit and perhaps pumper carb? The kickstart is not factory fitted, but bike it has all provisions to be fitted with OEM kickstart kit. Weighs few pounds less than WRR.

No EFI on US model though.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:10 AM   #29
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KTM too race ready?

Lurking on this thread as I'm in the market for a replacement d/s with the same criteria. About the concern about the KTMs being too high strung for long term reliability/durability. Could one, or has anyone, tried lowering the compression ratio a point or two? For me the KTM 500 or 690 are at the top of the list but really offer a higher performance level than I really require. Seems to me that by lowering the ratio a bit would de-stress the engine, soften the hit a bit, and might just run better on a lower octane. whadda u think?
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:23 AM   #30
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The name had crossed my mind a few times but I never really checked them out.

Beta has 3 new dual sport offerings. The 400/450/520 RS... and they have a pretty neat BYOB (Build Your Own Beta) customizer that has some really nice looking farkles.

I wouldn't even know where the hell to go to purchase a Beta. So far they look right along the lines of what I am looking for... kickstart and all. I'll have to do some digging to find out their reliability.
Unless things have changed the Beta's 400/450/520 RS have the old KTM RFS motor in them. I use a beta shop manual for my 03 450EXC because its more detailed.
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