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Old 02-26-2013, 11:09 AM   #46
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I predict you'll say that this would not be a good place to be assertive - but I see it all the time and it's just crazy!

Look at this pic. There's a person in the cross walk on a yellow light, construction warnings, guy driving into oncoming traffic, a bus straddling two lanes, a broken down taxi cab... is the guy in the Volvo tokin' on a doobie??

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Old 02-26-2013, 11:29 AM   #47
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I predict you'll say that this would not be a good place to be assertive - but I see it all the time and it's just crazy!

Look at this pic. There's a person in the cross walk on a yellow light, construction warnings, guy driving into oncoming traffic, a bus straddling two lanes, a broken down taxi cab... is the guy in the Volvo tokin' on a doobie??
Yes, assertive as hell. Identify the threats, identify a place to be that minimizes exposure to those threats, identify a safe path to get there, and get the hell there ASAP.

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Old 02-26-2013, 11:49 AM   #48
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Yes, assertive as hell. Identify the threats, identify a place to be that minimizes exposure to those threats, identify a safe path to get there, and get the hell there ASAP.

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....... and get taken out by a road raging cager on the way.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:54 AM   #49
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As a Transplant in Germany, I drive/ride As fast As i Want To, where it's permitted.

I personnally Find speed limits on Open, limited Access highways go be a Far larger Infräction of My rights Than My helmet. I honestly hate driving in The US now.

99% of staying alive on The Road is using good judgement To evaluate conditions around you and respond properly. Sometimes, speed is a proper response.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:16 PM   #50
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Great discussion. I really like you guys.
Give it time.......more than one of these FF's will piss you off. But it's all about the love.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:41 PM   #51
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In fact, the whole idea of getting hit from behind is statistically laughable. You know how many people get hit from behind on mopeds? In my experience VERY, VERY few (a rate so much lower than motorcycle crashes as to be statistically 0), and that's with cars buzzing past them on their entire journey no matter where they are going.
Sure it is statistically unlikely, but when that unlikely thing happens it can royally screw up your day. Hell, my brother got hit from behind 2 times in a 2 month period in his fat-assed 2005 Mustang GT (right when he was trying to sell it of course). Both times was when traffic was at a complete stop and the person behind him wasn't paying attention.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:45 PM   #52
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Sure it is statistically unlikely, but when that unlikely thing happens it can royally screw up your day. Hell, my brother got hit from behind 2 times in a 2 month period in his fat-assed 2005 Mustang GT (right when he was trying to sell it of course). Both times was when traffic was at a complete stop and the person behind him wasn't paying attention.
I agree that it happens. There are lots of stories, youtube videos, etc. as evidence of that.

So we shouldn't just give up on what is behind us. My argument is that what is in front of us is what is killing and/or seriously injuring us at a far greater rate. There is MUCH more evidence of that.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:24 PM   #53
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So we shouldn't just give up on what is behind us. My argument is that what is in front of us is what is killing and/or seriously injuring us at a far greater rate. There is MUCH more evidence of that.
Yep, cannot argue with that.
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #54
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As a Transplant in Germany, I drive/ride As fast As i Want To, where it's permitted.

I personnally Find speed limits on Open, limited Access highways go be a Far larger Infräction of My rights Than My helmet..

As a transplant from Germany, do you know that when driving in the US and/or Canada you have NO/ZERO/NADA 'rights' as far as use of public roads is concerned?
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:48 PM   #55
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Yes, assertive as hell. Identify the threats, identify a place to be that minimizes exposure to those threats, identify a safe path to get there, and get the hell there ASAP.
....... and get taken out by a road raging cager on the way.
I guess you failed to read the steps involved, especially step 3, eh?

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As a Transplant in Germany, I drive/ride As fast As i Want To, where it's permitted.

I personnally Find speed limits on Open, limited Access highways go be a Far larger Infräction of My rights Than My helmet. I honestly hate driving in The US now.
As a transplant from Germany, do you know that when driving in the US and/or Canada you have NO/ZERO/NADA 'rights' as far as use of public roads is concerned?
Not quite correct. We DO have rights to travel, inherently. Our government is refusing to RESPECT those rights as far as use of public roads is concerned. Functionally, those are similar, but are not the same thing.

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Old 02-26-2013, 02:01 PM   #56
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agree. That's because our system is based on rules when it should be based on skill. The rules are EVERYTHING
Based on whos skills?
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:51 PM   #57
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Based on whos skills?
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That's the point! The way the system is now ( at least in California ) it just ushers people through to get their licenses as quickly as possible, and people getting their license is only contingent upon answering the questions correctly. Anyone that has taken the driving test can tell you, it requires VERY little skill in order to pass. Hell, I was in the car for mayyyybe 4 minutes.
If we had a system based on your skill level, the more skilled and educated you were you could get a different license and each higher tiered license comes with higher speed limits....
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:02 PM   #58
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Statistically speaking, you are almost surely only going to hurt yourself and provide me and my colleagues some job security in the process
Statistics are irrelevant. What actually occurs is what matters.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:21 PM   #59
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Well, I like going fast, always did, but never needed or used more speed to get out of a jam.
I don't get in a jam in the first place.

Modern sport bikes leave no room for error, they can get up to high speeds very quickly...

I think there are more accidents involving bikes not being able to make a turn (due to lack of lean angle) then sport bike crashes around here.

Great thread - most everyone is being quite reasonable, what a nice change.

However, I simply MUST take exception to the highlighted passage; while modern sportbikes ARE quite capable of going VERY fast, very quickly it is NOT the case where "THEY" (the bike) left little room for error - that was the operator. In every case I have experienced, the bike was doing exactly what it was being told to do. Yes, high-hp bikes have the POTENTIAL to go very fast, but as I tell the hand-wringers I know - the throttle works BOTH ways and it is NOT like it is a lightswitch - if anything, the last dozen Superbikes I've ridden were the picture of controllability - if you were riding it too fast that is simply NOT the fault of the machinery.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:23 PM   #60
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I think maybe what he meant was they are very unforgiving. A small mistake can turn into a huge mistake in no time at all.
Coming from riding a lot of dirtbikes, that was the first thing I noticed and continue to notice about focused streetbikes.
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