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Old 03-03-2013, 01:53 AM   #1
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V-Strom quit and won't start.

About a week ago, I went out to run some errands on my bike. I started it and let it idle while I put on my helmet and gloves. The bike started fine, but just as I was about to swing a leg over, the idle slowed down and the bike stalled.

Since it was somewhat chilly out and the bike had not run in maybe a week or so, I wasn't too surprised. I restarted the bike and went to get on. Again, it stalled.

I made another restart attempt. It started very hard and once running I had to rev it repeatedly to keep it running. I managed to ride it to the nearest gas station, about 1/2 mile away. The bike surged a couple of times and I had to keep revving the throttle otherwise it felt like it wanted to quit.

I filled up with fuel, and the bike refused to restart. I had to push it home.

At home, I checked the front plug wire to see if it was wet since we'd gotten some rain the day before. Everything seemed clean and dry.

The only potential problem I found was that the rubber plugs I'd installed a while back over my throttle body hoses were cracked and probably not sealed very well. But even when I kinked the hoses, the bike didn't start.

I'm not sure what to check next. The bike is a 2005 DL650 with about 116,000 miles. It's never not started. It's never quit or stalled, and I've never had a problem with it. What should I look for?

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Old 03-03-2013, 05:38 AM   #2
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:05 AM   #3
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The only problem I ever had with my 'strom: http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...t=intermittent.

To save you the read, it turned out to be a loose ignition coil lead. Try wiggling the blade connectors that send power to the coil.

That's all I've got.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:37 AM   #4
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The only potential problem I found was that the rubber plugs I'd installed a while back over my throttle body hoses were cracked and probably not sealed very well. But even when I kinked the hoses, the bike didn't start.

It's never quit or stalled, and I've never had a problem with it. What should I look for?
Jamie

The behavior ( hard start, surging ) you describe sounds
very much like there is a significant vacuum leak somewhere in the
intake system. If you have any friends who are in the
car repair business and they have a "smoke machine"
and you can get the bike to their shop or get them to
bring the smoke machine to your bike, that is the best,
easiest and usually quickest way to detect the source of a
vacuum leak. The smoke machine is connected to the intake
manifold on the bike and then you need to look
very closely for smoke to be emitted from the source
of the leak. ( a smoke machine usually burns some sort of
mineral oil and that makes the smoke which is visible
when it is pumped into the intake and then emitted from the
source of the leak )


Absent a smoke machine you can look over everything very
carefully and make sure all the connections to the
manifolds, throttle bodies, etc. are tight and 100% free of leaks.
It sounds the the very first place you need to look
at is the rubber plugs you installed over your throttle body hoses.
If there are even small vacuum leaks there you MUST fix the leaks. Leaks in
the intake can cause "false air" which confuses the fuel injection
metering system and can cause an engine not to start or to surge
because the leak causes a "lean" mixture condition, in which there is
too much air being supplied to the engine such that the fuel mixture is
rendered too lean for the engine to run properly.


Good luck !


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Old 03-03-2013, 06:40 AM   #5
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Fuel pump and filter.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:41 AM   #6
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Fuel pump and filter.

There is a guy at work who has over 200k miles on his DL1000. To say his bike has been reliable would be an under-statement. A while back his bike was running like crap, it turned out to be just the fuel filter. Cheap fix and if that is not the culprit, your filter probably needs to be replaced anyway.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:45 AM   #7
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Run a hose from a small propane bottle into the airbox snorkel ,turn it on and try to start it ,if it fires its a fuel delivery problem.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:53 PM   #8
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Fuel pump and filter.
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There is a guy at work who has over 200k miles on his DL1000. To say his bike has been reliable would be an under-statement. A while back his bike was running like crap, it turned out to be just the fuel filter. Cheap fix and if that is not the culprit, your filter probably needs to be replaced anyway.
Think we're onto something.

Ran a fuel pump test today. Spec is minimum 300ml of fuel during three starting sequences. Mine pumped out a little more than 100mL.

Also, it looks like this.



If I inspect the fuel in the tank, it looks perfectly clean and clear. I think the fuel filter is clogged and it's picking up gunk... though I can't understand why there's such strong separation. Could be water in my tank?

There's a cheap fuel filter modification that I'll probably attempt to do tomorrow, since the factory fuel filter is more than $200.

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Old 03-03-2013, 12:57 PM   #9
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Clearly something is wrong. The only question I have is that when I read others' experience, they seem to all report poor running, poor driveability, generally bad performance. Mine seemed to happen sudden.

I'll fix the fuel filter and then see what happens.

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Old 03-03-2013, 02:21 PM   #10
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I've had it happen both ways. Once the bike was running fine,I stopped for fuel and that was it ,no fuel pump. The second time ,on a used pump, it started stalling occasionally and bucking under a load. Again I replaced the fuel pump and it was fixed. The second pump I bought at an auto parts store for a ford van and with a few very minor tweaks it fit perfectly in the stock assembly. $90 COMPARED TO OVER $300. STILL WORKING FINE 3 YRS LATER.
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:28 PM   #11
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This ebay seller has pumps for V-STROMS for about $70.00. Canadian price from Suzuki is over $700.00 Yes canadians get screwed on OEM parts.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/380428921890?...84.m1423.l2649
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:38 PM   #12
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I'm on the fuel pump bandwagon.

I'd drain the tank and go through the fuel pump and filter. Repair as necessary...
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:44 PM   #13
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Sounds like the fuel pump is the Doo Hickey of the Strom world...

This is getting good. Can't wait to hear how this one ends

All you guys dialing in fast. Hats off.
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Old 03-03-2013, 02:48 PM   #14
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Waer in fuel

Cold chilly wet weather with a near empty fuel tank is a good combination to get some condensation in your tank. Maybe try a bottle of the water absorber for fuel.. as I'm typing this, I realize that I haven't seen it for a while, I'm not sure if it still works on the gas with 10% ethanol. Either way try to drain more gas out until you get gas without the separation.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:02 PM   #15
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Looks like you have lots of water in the fuel. I'd drain the tank and fill with a known good source.
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