Would you prefer a street legal ATV to a DS? - Page 3

ysr612 · 03-06-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XpressCS

These 'tendencies' are nothing more than fallacy. A dirt bike can ruin a trail equally as well as a quad.

It all depends on how much you spin your tires.

unless a quad has a differential it will always be more harmful, as when turning a corner one wheel is always draging.

bk brkr baker · 03-06-2013, 07:01 PM

When 4 wheelers started to get popular it was the beginning of the end for trail riding in Kentucky.
I'm glad I got to experience the good times before the quads came and tore things up to the point where the tree-huggers got together with the Forestry guys and threw everyone except hikers and horse riders out of 90% of the places and trails we rode before.
We used to ride some beautiful single track . I remember riding with 8-9 others and after we passed it was hard to tell we'd been some places. In the fall you would just see some leaves flipped over. Of course climbing hills left tracks but, what the bikes did was minor compared to the quad invasion.
In a few years ,after public meetings where riders were far the minority next to Heartwood and other groups , most of the trails were closed to motor powered anything. What was left to legally ride was widened to 4 feet and graveled. Not much like it was before.

XpressCS · 03-06-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ysr612

unless a quad has a differential it will always be more harmful, as when turning a corner one wheel is always draging.

We're talking minor differences. With the way dirt bikers ride nowadays, ruts are a common thing to find in trails, and not from water runoff.

But saying a trail was closed because a 3 or 4 wheeler invasion occurred is just plain arrogance at its finest. It's always something someone was doing, regardless of what they ride. Someone always has to ruin it, be it drinking and trashing the place, riding without safety gear, basically just irresponsibility is the main reason.

ct-ktm · 03-07-2013, 05:14 AM

No

You should be banned for asking that on a motorcylco forum..

JamesG · 03-07-2013, 05:41 AM

Food for thought:

One is street legal. The other is not. Can you see why?

cab591 · 03-07-2013, 05:43 AM

Like someone else said, it's legal here in AZ. Hell, I see people riding them just about every day around here. They get plated as a motorcycle. That said, I'd still take a motorcycle over a quad. Can't wait to get back on 2 wheels (hopefully by this Spring!).

The side-by-side quads can be made street legal here, too, but they're not as common on the roads as the quads (I've seen maybe 2 or 3). All they have to have are headlights, brake lights and indicators to get plates.

ysr612 · 03-07-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bk brkr baker

When 4 wheelers started to get popular it was the beginning of the end for trail riding in Kentucky.
I'm glad I got to experience the good times before the quads came and tore things up to the point where the tree-huggers got together with the Forestry guys and threw everyone except hikers and horse riders out of 90% of the places and trails we rode before.
We used to ride some beautiful single track . I remember riding with 8-9 others and after we passed it was hard to tell we'd been some places. In the fall you would just see some leaves flipped over. Of course climbing hills left tracks but, what the bikes did was minor compared to the quad invasion.
In a few years ,after public meetings where riders were far the minority next to Heartwood and other groups , most of the trails were closed to motor powered anything. What was left to legally ride was widened to 4 feet and graveled. Not much like it was before.

talk about destroying a trail; horses are about the worst thing that can happen. Well maybe a full cattle drive would be worse.

XpressCS · 03-07-2013, 07:06 AM

And they shit everywhere too!!

5th-Elefant · 03-07-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Keithert

Aside from leaning in turns what it's so different about riding a bike on a trail?

I haven't given it much thought. A quad is a tool, a bike is a toy [for me] I guess. I find 4x4s equally dull.

bk brkr baker · 03-07-2013, 10:48 AM

[QUOTE=XpressCS;20885586]

But saying a trail was closed because a 3 or 4 wheeler invasion occurred is just plain arrogance at its finest.

What a fucking load.

Have you ever been to Ky. I saw what was great riding turned to shit by 4 wheelers and their pilots.
I remember talking to people about trail riding and having them ask if I rode a 4-wheeler. I'd say "No, 4 wheelers are for people that can't ride motorcycles. "
And that statement is still true. If you can't ride pretty well on a bike , you're soon going to get banged up and leave. Almost anyone can go from here to there on a 4-wheeler. So they became overwhelmingly popular. Instead of 8-10 guys out on bikes there'd be 50-100 4 wheelers.
Over-use killed the trails.

pilot815 · 03-07-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XpressCS

And they shit everywhere too!!

ATV riders? :p

Sent from my Samsung Note 10.1

ysr612 · 03-07-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 5th-Elefant

I haven't given it much thought. A quad is a tool, a bike is a toy [for me] I guess. I find 4x4s equally dull.

many places the bike is the farm work horse.

ysr612 · 03-07-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pilot815

ATV riders? :p

Sent from my Samsung Note 10.1

them too! and bike riders piss everywhere, as can be seen if you go to ride reports.

XpressCS · 03-08-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pilot815

ATV riders? :p

Sent from my Samsung Note 10.1

No. Horses.

I don't see what the deal is. If it has a throttle, footpegs, and an engine, it should be ridden, ridden hard, and put away wet.

Poacher Bob · 03-08-2013, 05:32 PM

Some where there's a mt. biker bitching about how dirt bikes ruin THEIR single track...

03-06-2013, 07:01 PM	#32
bk brkr baker Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Oddometer: 4,210	When 4 wheelers started to get popular it was the beginning of the end for trail riding in Kentucky. I'm glad I got to experience the good times before the quads came and tore things up to the point where the tree-huggers got together with the Forestry guys and threw everyone except hikers and horse riders out of 90% of the places and trails we rode before. We used to ride some beautiful single track . I remember riding with 8-9 others and after we passed it was hard to tell we'd been some places. In the fall you would just see some leaves flipped over. Of course climbing hills left tracks but, what the bikes did was minor compared to the quad invasion. In a few years ,after public meetings where riders were far the minority next to Heartwood and other groups , most of the trails were closed to motor powered anything. What was left to legally ride was widened to 4 feet and graveled. Not much like it was before. __________________ RR's Catnip Hill to Peoria ___Loopin' Seattle to WestFest It started with some beers __1500 miles to the Dentist Skeedaddle to Seattle______ A 30 year old on a Three Flags Run

03-07-2013, 05:41 AM	#35
JamesG Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Columbus, GA Oddometer: 10,772	Food for thought: One is street legal. The other is not. Can you see why? __________________ I am a conservative, not a Republican. There is a difference.

03-07-2013, 07:06 AM	#38
XpressCS Luminous nut Joined: May 2012 Location: The big box California Oddometer: 301	And they shit everywhere too!! __________________ My current garage: -2004 Kawasaki KLR650, Rigid Dually LED lamps (DD) -1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L V8 (Donor) -1989 Jeep Wrangler, stripped to the bone (Implant-ee) -A boatload of 80's 3 wheelers

03-07-2013, 10:48 AM	#40
bk brkr baker Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Oddometer: 4,210	[QUOTE=XpressCS;20885586] But saying a trail was closed because a 3 or 4 wheeler invasion occurred is just plain arrogance at its finest. What a fucking load. Have you ever been to Ky. I saw what was great riding turned to shit by 4 wheelers and their pilots. I remember talking to people about trail riding and having them ask if I rode a 4-wheeler. I'd say "No, 4 wheelers are for people that can't ride motorcycles. " And that statement is still true. If you can't ride pretty well on a bike , you're soon going to get banged up and leave. Almost anyone can go from here to there on a 4-wheeler. So they became overwhelmingly popular. Instead of 8-10 guys out on bikes there'd be 50-100 4 wheelers. Over-use killed the trails. __________________ RR's Catnip Hill to Peoria ___Loopin' Seattle to WestFest It started with some beers __1500 miles to the Dentist Skeedaddle to Seattle______ A 30 year old on a Three Flags Run

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03-07-2013, 05:14 AM	#34
ct-ktm Beastly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: New England Oddometer: 2,787	No You should be banned for asking that on a motorcylco forum..

03-07-2013, 05:43 AM	#36
cab591 Adventurer Joined: May 2011 Location: Phoenix, AZ Oddometer: 60	Like someone else said, it's legal here in AZ. Hell, I see people riding them just about every day around here. They get plated as a motorcycle. That said, I'd still take a motorcycle over a quad. Can't wait to get back on 2 wheels (hopefully by this Spring!). The side-by-side quads can be made street legal here, too, but they're not as common on the roads as the quads (I've seen maybe 2 or 3). All they have to have are headlights, brake lights and indicators to get plates.

03-08-2013, 05:32 PM	#45
Poacher Bob Persona non grata Joined: Jul 2009 Location: White Mts. NH Oddometer: 1,595	Some where there's a mt. biker bitching about how dirt bikes ruin THEIR single track...