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Old 03-08-2013, 09:54 AM   #61
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The accident wouldn't have happened if she had waited either haha. You have given the perfect reason to always wait while in the same breath saying you shouldn't.
That's an absurd argument. By your logic, they'd both still be sitting there now. If they had both been paying attention and one of them would have been more assertive right from the start, it would NOT have happened.
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:19 PM   #62
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Try snapping a clutch cable while chugging along in a traffic jam and having to to take your hand away from the handebar and front brake to reach for the key - especially if you're on a cruiser and it is under your leg. Also if you're on the shoulder in the mud and struggling to hold the bike upright. I've personally experienced the former (not in traffic but the effect was the same) and heard of the latter - and can think of many more reasons.
still not buying it. clutch cable snaps ,go for the brakes. if necessary the engine can be stalled, or better yet bike can be keep under power and ridden out of traffic to the shoulder.better than being stuck in the traffic lane with a dead engine and the bike in gear. tell me all the reasons for a kill switch. cars don't have them. i really think needing a kill switch on a street bike is a myth. lots of people and msf say it's needed so it must be needed .right? wrong.
clutch cable breaks?. use the brakes
throttle sticks? every bike i know has a throttle return cable.
wreck? most bikes have a tipover switch.
not trying to provoke an argument here. just think kill switches are not needed.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:14 PM   #63
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That's an absurd argument. By your logic, they'd both still be sitting there now. If they had both been paying attention and one of them would have been more assertive right from the start, it would NOT have happened.
Haha no they wouldn't the other vehicle would have gone and the rider wouldn't have risked getting hit. 100% avoidable incident.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:58 PM   #64
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still not buying it. clutch cable snaps ,go for the brakes. if necessary the engine can be stalled, or better yet bike can be keep under power and ridden out of traffic to the shoulder.better than being stuck in the traffic lane with a dead engine and the bike in gear. tell me all the reasons for a kill switch. cars don't have them. i really think needing a kill switch on a street bike is a myth. lots of people and msf say it's needed so it must be needed .right? wrong.
clutch cable breaks?. use the brakes
throttle sticks? every bike i know has a throttle return cable.
wreck? most bikes have a tipover switch.
not trying to provoke an argument here. just think kill switches are not needed.
Hey, they're only tips, not rules. I'll continue to use the killswitch, you do whatever makes you happy.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:03 PM   #65
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Hey, they're only tips, not rules. I'll continue to use the killswitch, you do whatever makes you happy.
True. This applies to stop sign standoffs as well.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:44 AM   #66
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Hey, they're only tips, not rules. I'll continue to use the killswitch, you do whatever makes you happy.
You should use the key.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:48 AM   #67
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All this discussion brings to mind a question on my mind for some time........I call it "tail end charlie". Sometimes during city riding, I'll find myself at the tail end of a group of cars, with a large gap behind me.

Normally I keep a reasonable following distance from the vehicle in front of me, but this seems to be a "danger zone" for getting nailed by merging cars. Often I drop back and do the wiggle to get folk's attention.

However, sometimes I tighten up the gap to the car in front of me, my reasoning being that merging vehicle is waiting for this last car, and if I'm following closely, there's no way they can accelerate into traffic fast enough to hit me.

Sometimes it's actually both....if I see cars waiting to merge, I'll move the bike around to hopefully get their attention, but then tighten up the gap to the vehicle in front of me.

I realize the risks from following too closely, but it often feels like the lesser of 2 evils.

I'm curious about other folk's strategies for this type of situation.
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:38 AM   #68
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If there are cars ahead of you in the lane to your right, look in the drivers window for fingers on or reaching toward the turn signal stalk.

Whats a turn signal?
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:31 AM   #69
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All this discussion brings to mind a question on my mind for some time........I call it "tail end charlie". Sometimes during city riding, I'll find myself at the tail end of a group of cars, with a large gap behind me.

Normally I keep a reasonable following distance from the vehicle in front of me, but this seems to be a "danger zone" for getting nailed by merging cars. Often I drop back and do the wiggle to get folk's attention.

However, sometimes I tighten up the gap to the car in front of me, my reasoning being that merging vehicle is waiting for this last car, and if I'm following closely, there's no way they can accelerate into traffic fast enough to hit me.

Sometimes it's actually both....if I see cars waiting to merge, I'll move the bike around to hopefully get their attention, but then tighten up the gap to the vehicle in front of me.

I realize the risks from following too closely, but it often feels like the lesser of 2 evils.

I'm curious about other folk's strategies for this type of situation.

I know exactly what you are talking about. I basically do the same things you do. No easy answer to this one, I think. Many cagers will go for the gap -- even if there is a motorcycle in it! In general, I try to adjust my speed way early so that by the time the merger is close to the lane, I'm already out of the way, either behind or in front.

In city streets, being the "tail end charlie" is dangerous too IMO, because a waiting left turner may see the long gap coming -- and you are the end of the string of cars. An impatient cager may whip left as soon as the last cage passes -- even if YOU are still coming! They go "cage blind." I deal with this by putting enough distance between me and the last cage that I am as visible as possible, and then weaving in my lane a bit. I hate being the last vehicle in a long string when there are people waiting to turn! Sometimes, I'll spedd up and change lanes and get INTO traffic if I see this situation coming -- and then I can use the cages as rolling roadblocks for the waiting turner. After the threat is passed, I may drop out of traffic again, or work my way forward to the next gap.
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:46 AM   #70
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Whats a turn signal?
Half the drivers in Louisiana don't even know what the stalk on the steering column does. Most of the other half know what it does but have no idea why.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:08 AM   #71
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Half the drivers in Louisiana don't even know what the stalk on the steering column does.
It's for changing the wiper speed.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:26 AM   #72
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Half the drivers in Louisiana don't even know what the stalk on the steering column does. Most of the other half know what it does but have no idea why.
Turn signal is to indicate to a driver following in an adjacent lane to accelerate to fill a gap.
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Turn signal is to indicate to a driver following in an adjacent lane to accelerate to fill a gap.
This.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:49 AM   #74
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Turn signal is to indicate to a driver following in an adjacent lane to accelerate to fill a gap.
I'v heard so many people repeat the somewhat humorous mantra that "use of turn signals is a sign of weakness" or similar, that I think many, many people actually believe it and deliberately avoid using their signals when lange changing on a crowded interstate fo example. This is BS in my opinion! While there may be a lot of drivers who will ignore a signal or more likely not register it because they are too busy talking on the phone or fiddling with some other gadget, in my experience (as a habitual signal user) it does more good than not.

One of the most typical acts of driver dopeyness I witness are those who refuse to change lanes to let you merge, even when there is a clear lane alongside them . I think that acts of courtesy such as that are not taught or encouraged in the pathetic excuse that passes for most driver training in the US (or possibly in modern American culture), and most drivers are so unaware of their surrioundings that it takes them an age to work out what a merging driver needs and even longer to figure out whether they are in a position to accomodate.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:20 PM   #75
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I'v heard so many people repeat the somewhat humorous mantra that "use of turn signals is a sign of weakness" or similar, that I think many, many people actually believe it and deliberately avoid using their signals when lange changing on a crowded interstate fo example. This is BS in my opinion! While there may be a lot of drivers who will ignore a signal or more likely not register it because they are too busy talking on the phone or fiddling with some other gadget, in my experience (as a habitual signal user) it does more good than not.

One of the most typical acts of driver dopeyness I witness are those who refuse to change lanes to let you merge, even when there is a clear lane alongside them . I think that acts of courtesy such as that are not taught or encouraged in the pathetic excuse that passes for most driver training in the US (or possibly in modern American culture), and most drivers are so unaware of their surrioundings that it takes them an age to work out what a merging driver needs and even longer to figure out whether they are in a position to accomodate.
so you're one of those people who can't merge and expect others to accomadate your inability to fit into the flow of trafficc.
i will accommodate a semi or anyone towing,as they lack the ability to accelerate into traffic. i will also move over if traffic dictates it.
anyone who is too stupid to speed up and merge in front of me or slow up and slide in behind me gets no room from me. it's your job to fit into traffic not mine to risk a lane change.
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