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Old 03-13-2013, 08:01 AM   #46
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Yup. You could smell the desperation at the Indian booth at the NYC International Motorcycle Show. They could have used the 111 Motor to drum up some excitement. Sadly, there was none to be had. All they had was the same old overpriced Chiefs, looking like parade floats with all their tassles.
Yeah, although it was very cool to hear Munro's real "World's Fastest Indian" fire up, see the open valve springs bobbing up and down, etc. That was the best part of that show, for me.

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Old 03-13-2013, 09:11 AM   #47
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:22 AM   #48
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Now there are a whole lot of Victory owners you could never pry away from their bikes because they found something that scratches their itch just the right way. It's called innovation, broseph.
Not everyone wants to be part of the intelligent minority I guess.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:39 AM   #49
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That's exactly what Victory was accused of doing when they started. Then people started seeing how good their bikes and powertrains are because they didn't let presumption and bias make up their mind for them.
It'll be interesting to see what the new Indian motorcycles look like and where Victory goes after this. Indian could be the Polaris brand for the "traditional" cruiser rider, while Victory gets farther away from that demographic. Or I could have it completely backwards. The future's wide open at this point.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:48 AM   #50
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If Polaris went to school on Indian history (which I'm sure they did) and bothered to trot out Burt's bike, I sort of doubt parade floats will be their primary focus. The world is full of fat-assed cruisers, XR1200R's tho are in short supply. You could say that's because nobody buys them. Given the number of sport, sport touring, and sport standards selling these days I think it has more to do with positioning, marketing, & support. And if there is one company who has shown they can do that pretty well in recent times it Polaris. These guys are a quick study, give them some time.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:51 AM   #51
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If Polaris went to school on Indian history (which I'm sure they did) and bothered to trot out Burt's bike, I sort of doubt parade floats will be their primary focus. The world is full of fat-assed cruisers, XR1200R's tho are in short supply. You could say that's because nobody buys them. Given the number of sport, sport touring, and sport standards selling these days I think it has more to do with positioning, marketing, & support. And if there is one company who has shown they can do that pretty well in recent times it Polaris. These guys are a quick study, give them some time.
I think I'd buy a Sportster/Bonneville-sized Indian Scout retro standard type motorcycle.

I don't have any interest in a Heritage Classic/Road King sized Chief Roadmaster type motorcycle.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:20 AM   #52
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Stop with the NESS references!! He did NOT design the Vegas or any Victory....Victory's lead motorcycle designer is Michael Song, always has been.
Fair enough. It's just that they have these "Ness edition" specials and all their bikes seem to have an Arlen Ness custom look all over them. I am not a fan of their styling that's all.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:22 AM   #53
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I think I'd buy a Sportster/Bonneville-sized Indian Scout retro standard type motorcycle.

I don't have any interest in a Heritage Classic/Road King sized Chief Roadmaster type motorcycle.
I would be beside myself with glee if Indian made a new Scout.

I'd probably give myself a hemorrhage laughing at all the butthurt HD people calling it a Sportster clone.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:24 AM   #54
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It'll be interesting to see what the new Indian motorcycles look like and where Victory goes after this. Indian could be the Polaris brand for the "traditional" cruiser rider, while Victory gets farther away from that demographic. Or I could have it completely backwards. The future's wide open at this point.
In all seriousness, though I do enjoy trolling and baiting, I am very excited for the future of motorcycling. I think the next 20 years are poised to be very exciting times in terms of both technology and styling.
Indian and Victory could become powerhouses, if they hit the market with the right models at the right time.

As end users, we literally cannot lose. Unless our economy falls apart and we all wind up as slumdogs. But, I'm not factoring that in.
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #55
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I think I'd buy a Sportster/Bonneville-sized Indian Scout retro standard type motorcycle.

I don't have any interest in a Heritage Classic/Road King sized Chief Roadmaster type motorcycle.
I second those statements.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:16 AM   #56
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Stop with the NESS references!!

Victory's lead motorcycle designer is Michael Song, always has been.
Yeah. OK. You can shout that from the rooftops all day long, but the fact remains the Ness influences run deep at Victory.

Though I don't mind the occasional Ness custom, but having his influences and his bling to some extent on every bike in the lineup is just too much.

The only Ness Victory I've liked is the one they won't build.

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Old 03-13-2013, 11:21 AM   #57
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Fair enough. It's just that they have these "Ness edition" specials and all their bikes seem to have an Arlen Ness custom look all over them. I am not a fan of their styling that's all.
Maybe Ness didn't design the bikes, just messed them up (MY OPINION) I've never seen a Ness creation that I didn't think looked like garbage. Most of them didn't even look rideable. But again, I don't buy bikes to look at, or be seen on, and I have a feeling that is what the "next" new Indian will be. I hope I'm wrong. Everybody thinks that because I like cruisers looks is all I care about. I ride cruisers because they are super comfortable (most of them) and the mid sized ones make excellent solo touring bikes without spending a fortune.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:22 AM   #58
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I ride cruisers because they are super comfortable

to you...

They hurt my back.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:12 PM   #59
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Fair enough. It's just that they have these "Ness edition" specials and all their bikes seem to have an Arlen Ness custom look all over them. I am not a fan of their styling that's all.
Neither am I.

The "Ness editions" simply add a bunch of Arlen Ness designed bling to the existing platform. Kind of like HD CVO bikes without the need for the displacement bump.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:04 PM   #60
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am I the only one that thinks "Thunderstroke" sounds somewhat inappropriate?

I was hoping (but I suppose not very optimistically hoping) indian was going to introduce an entirely new bike that was somehow more interesting than what they are selling right now. but no, it's just an engine with a porn-y sounding name

it does sound pretty good, though
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